Posted February 12, 2014

Jadeveon Clowney says he would have stayed in school if paid

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Jadeveon Clowney is expected to be a top five pick in the May's NFL Draft. (Scott Halleran/Getty Images)

Jadeveon Clowney is expected to be a top five pick in the May’s NFL Draft. (Scott Halleran/Getty Images)

Former South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney said that he might have stayed in school for another year if he were paid for being a college athlete.

Clowney made the comments in an interview on Jim Rome on Showtime, set to air Wednesday night.

Clowney left South Carolina after three seasons, foregoing his senior campaign to enter May’s NFL Draft. He is expected to be a top-five selection.

“Yes. Having to take care of my family, it would have made a difference if I’d have gotten paid,” Clowney said. “If I would have had the chance to take care of my family through college, I would have probably stayed in college.”

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Clowney also said he believes that college athletes should be paid.

“I think so,” Clowney said. “They are selling our jerseys with our numbers and making money off of ticket sales, so I think college athletes should get paid.”


99 comments
dwb_alpha
dwb_alpha

You are getting paid...with a free education.  An education that 99% of Americans would LOVE to have.  Not our fault you are too stupid to realize what you are throwing away.

esgalan2
esgalan2

Ha...a rousing chorus with  the usual "clichés" :  "They are going to a UNIVERSITY for crying out loud"  "that's worth tons of money" , " that's a dream comes true",  " a fantastic opportunity" etc.... 

...well....

Is that such a great thing ?

Everybody acts as if college education "for free" is the greatest possible thing to get !  Well that is not always the case.. not for everybody...


And I would argue that, for guys who, as teenagers, made the choice to go "all in" for football,  that "great thing "is, more often than not, WORTHLESS. !!!

Seriously, how many of these "full scholarship student-athlete" do you think are actually "equipped" to make the best of that "wonderful opportunity to get a great education" ?

The very fact they are given a full FOOTBALL scholarship almost GUARANTEES that they have been focusing mainly or even EXCLUSIVELY on football during most if not all of their high school years. ...At the expense of actual studies of course...

It is highly ironic, almost like a bad joke, that the reward "offered" is one which they are, almost by definition, the least able to take advantage of !!

The simple truth is that many (if not most) of them find themselves way out of their league in term of academic abilities.

And, what is more,  once they get in these "wondrous place of learning" what are the expectations ? Are they  encouraged and helped to make the most of their university years ?

OF COURSE NOT ! Everyone, coaches, fellow students, professors,  fans, etc, are going to tell them, over, and over, and over again  " LET'S WIN THE NEXT GAME, DUDE ! ". 

Studies are an afterthought in EVERYONE's minds when it comes to these football "student athletes" !!

So they experience TREMENDOUS PRESSURE  to focus on FOOTBALL and NOT on that supposedly "wonderful opportunity" to "get an education". So for most of them, "studying" is this that charade they have to muddle through, an inconvenience they have to endure and which get into the way of what's really important FOOTBALL.


Oh sure they get degrees, so that appearances can be saved

Academic course are specially tailored, which are easy to follow, with minimal commitment and time investment. In the end a many of those "football scholarship" dudes leave with a college diploma that is next to worthless in terms of actual job acquisition. 

Think i exaggerate ?  How often have you heard something like that on the news ? :

 "John Doe, the sophomore tight end and star player for the University of Gotham has announced he would retire from the team next year. "My biochemistry and applied mathematics courses are going to be extremely challenging next year", said  Doe in an emotional press conference. "It's hard for me to leave the team, and I won't pretend I wouldn't have liked to have a shot at the Heismann [Trophy], but I have to focus on what's important, and that is obviously my goal of getting my B.Sc in Genetic Engineering".

 As always in those circumstances, Jack Smith, the famed coach of the Gargoyles was fully supportive of Doe's decision and remained upbeat about next season :"John is a wonderful young man who knows what's truly important in life. As for the team, we are long used to losing players in this way, especially between Sophomore and Junior years. It's not as if we didn't see it coming. We are prepared for it : the next guy has to, and will, step up !  We have a proud winning tradition and our goal is still, as it is every year,  to win the Humongous Fourteen Conference and the BCS championship !!! "

Get my drift ?? 

How do you think Texas A&M would have reacted if Johnny Manziel  had announced last year that he would stop playing to "focus on his studies" ? The university officials might have mumbled the "right things" but the coach would have blown a gasket,  the medias would have screamed "betrayal" the "Aggies fans" would have rioted... 


College football players  are treated like "pros" with  ONE SPECIFIC an important job to do and that is WINNING GAMES AND NOTHING ELSE !! 

- They play within organisations which are, in effect  PROs league (SEC, etc) , 

- which get PRO coverage nationwide. 

- They are required to behave an act like "PROs" in private and in public

-  everyone around them  (coaches, staff, journalist)  are (VERY WELL PAID)  PROs.

THEY ARE,  FOR ALL INTENT AND PURPOSES,  PROS !!!!

...except they don't get paid....

They are the unpaid labour from which an entire entertainment industry makes BILLIONS !!!



It is high time to put an end to all the hypocrisy about Scholarship Football players being "adequately compensated" with "the great opportunity to get a superior education" ! Most of therm simply don't get "that superior education" !!!


Let's pay them a fair amount of money, and let them choose whether of not they want to actually "get a college education" with it !!!

Some will, some won't , AT LEAST THEY'LL HAVE A CHOICE !! 

And those who won't chose college will not necessarily be the dumb ones : Not everybody is suited  to high academic pursuit, and there is NOTHING WRONG with that !!

rskins09
rskins09

LT  and Bernie Kosar have  said  the same things  about Athletes getting paid  twenty  years ago .. Agree with a monthly stipend - spending money - but  don't agree with getting paid a  annual wage ..Not all the  110 +  colleges can afford  it ...I know Alabama,  S.Cal, Notre Dame, Michigan  make millions  every year , but these schools are giving  their students  a free education which isn't cheap anymore .... Nothing wrong with students leading  a spartan lifestyle  while playing sports ...

PackersFanNumeroUno
PackersFanNumeroUno

And I would have prob stayed at my last job if they would have gave me that 25% raise.

Listening
Listening

He might have been getting paid anyway.  He just wanted more.  " Yo dog...  You want me to stick around you betta up my ends".

look@thebrightside
look@thebrightside

he has a valid argument. yes i understand that the schools bring these kids in under a full scholarship and blah blah blah, the thing is more than half of these kids can barely even speak, read or write the language ! student athletes is misnomer for sure. a title concocted by the ncaa in an effort to fool the average joe out there into believing that the universities are giving as much as theyre getting. the ncaa makes BILLIONS off their tv deals and these kids get what out of it ? a chance to play sports and perhaps learn how to read. now if one of these kids even goes out to dinner with the wrong person, they can be suspended and potentially end up losing millions of dollars. very hypocritical 

thebigdawg3
thebigdawg3

Unfortunately nobody at South Carolina wanted this clown to stay.  Go to the NFL loser boy.

EricVonHollen
EricVonHollen

So what he's saying is, "I I played for the University of Southern California, I'd still be playing!"

DRP
DRP

I'm very glad that Mr. Clowney stayed in school long enough to learn that it's the NFL where they pay you in dollars, not college.  College scholarships can  provide one of the most valuable possessions that most people could ever have--a college diploma!  How many people would love to have his opportunity?  He doesn't care about that.  He will make a lot of money from his professional football contract.  I sincerely hope that he has enough sense to find an honest money manager that will make investments for him that will keep him from going broke within the next decade.  However he probably doesn't care about that either.  Oh well! 

kensay3
kensay3

What I don't understand is how the same people that scream Obama is a socialist and they're sick of the wealth redistribution have no problem with that exact thing happening in the NCAA.  The players are all compensated the same (scholarship) and the profits from the money making sports are then used to support the entire athletic dept. and other parts of the school.  Furthermore, they have absolutely no problem with the coaches making upwards of 5 mil.  You do realize FBS College Football made more than the NBA.  You do realize the NCAA Tournament alone signed a 10.8 billion deal w CBS.  It's not a "free education" anymore than you get a "free salary"... 

Bazelope
Bazelope

Who would draft a kid THIS STUPID?  Dear NFL GM's:  This kid will wash out of the NFL (after faking several injuries over next three years).  Clowney thinks like a child . . .  he made one "highlight" hit (in a bowl game in January 2013) and he has done nothing since.  Don't waste a pick on this kid!

Steve Phillips
Steve Phillips

Good riddance! Obvious this clown didn't use his scholarship money to get an education. I certainly hope my favorite NFL teams don't draft this selfish individual

Jerry11
Jerry11

What a perfect last name for this guy!  Good luck to the team who picks him.  It will never be about the game or the team.

muser
muser

This just in...accounting, engineering and medical students have also announced that they too would hang around college a little longer if they got paid...

Scott74
Scott74

There's a revelation........isn't that the reason he is leaving college, to get paid??

zgray
zgray

I never would wish injury on players, but career ending injury sure would show this guy the value of what he's just thrown away.


"People know the price of everything, yet the value of nothing" Oscar WIlde

Tag13
Tag13

D-I college like Clowney are paid . . . with a full ride education paid by others. Whatever happened to a student-athlete???

btcvsolo
btcvsolo

Damn....


Is it just me or does this cat look like 'Screwface' from the Seagal flic "Marked for Death"?


That's about the extent of interest I have in the guy...which isn't saying much.

sunalsorises
sunalsorises

Clowney should save this speech for when he bolts whatever team drafts him for a bigger contract.  It doesn't matter how much he makes.  He won't be smart enough to live within his means.

muser
muser

Everyone I know would have hung around college a little longer if they got paid to....Maybe Rodney Dangerfield was onto something...

SculptorDad
SculptorDad

Nobody ever said athletes were intelligent

Listening
Listening

Wow...  this guy just lost my respect (like it matters).  I still think he's  great football player but that's it.  Most of the non-athlete students would BEG for the full ride he was given.  Classes, books, food, board....  A lot of students have to take out tens of thousands in student loans to get their degrees.  I think there are far to many college football players that do not even want to be at a university to learn academics.  It's just a pit stop they have to make before they pray an NFL team will let them play.  The way I see it, those players are just taking up a seat in a class so many others would love to have a chance to get and the players do not even appreciate it.  They just feel entitled to have it and say "I'm not happy.  Pay me more!!!!" 

WilliamCross
WilliamCross

Ok, but if he got paid and stayed, would he have not sucked like he did last year?

sportsGuy12
sportsGuy12

"Good job for saying that Clowney, now since your going pro I'm gonna need that $500 back"- Spurrier

rskins09
rskins09

   BTW, not all student-athletes  are morons and most can read and write ..It's blown way out of proportion ...Know for years most ( football anyway)  got  four  football tckts to  keep or sell; others got  XX  amount for laundry  expenses ...What you don't hear  about is some  dominate players  getting  XX  amount of money $  per game  from wealthy  alumni ... So  did ALL  of  your prime-time College coaches in the 1950's  thru the  90's  when most were making a fraction of what they're  making now ......       

CharlesKenyon_
CharlesKenyon_

@Listening  That remark was ignorant and I take as racist. He's voicing his opinion just like you are, but the quote at the end is childish. 

Mech
Mech

@look@thebrightside The schools provide an unparalleled opportunity to these kids. Some will take advantage, like Richard Sherman and some will not. That isn't the schools issue, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. Their are rules in everything, life has a lot of rules and breaking them can at times be catastrophic, gee that's tough, but life is tough, get over it. Clowney is going to the NFL where he has a CHANCE at big money and a CHANCE to keep that big money,,,,,, leaving College has lowered the probability of either of those happening. In the end I think paying athletes is a mistake that would further erode the College experience for these men(boys). They are being offered a lot, not all will use the chance.

Mech
Mech

@kensay3 The NCAA says 96 percent of its annual revenue is returned to its member schools either in direct payments or in programs and services. Is this socialism ,,,,, I dont think so. It is schools using the athletic program to pay for student services scholarships and support. A coach gets what he gets on the open market,,,,, is that socialism ,,, your argument lacks logic. 

MikeChiappetta
MikeChiappetta

@muser Those students do not generate the direct resources that the players do. I'm not saying that they should be compensated as their counterparts in the NFL, but I think at least LETTING them have part time jobs (or giving them the minimum wage equivalent of that PT job) would be a reasonable step.

CJ - Be the Ball
CJ - Be the Ball

He didn't throw anything away. Even if he did have a career-ending injury, he could go back to South Carolina to finish his degree.

ChanceArmstrong
ChanceArmstrong

@zgray  Actually even just the guarenteed money will be enough to get him through life. Let's not pretend that any degree he could have attained with one more year would have made more than even a short NFL career.

OverEd
OverEd

@Tag13   Disagree.

Balance the value of the education - keep in mind 2 vs 3 vs 4 years and the realities of the importance of the "student" vs "athlete" at a school like SC - with the financial benefit SC receives. And, unlike a true capitalistic/contractual exchange, the student/athlete has no opportunity to negotiate for more favorable terms of the contract because the school's consideration is limited to the value of the education.  

Listening
Listening

@muser

"The world is tough out there.  You have to look out for # 1 but don't go and step in # 2". 


ll316
ll316

@Listening  So what if most of the non athletes would BEG for the full ride?  None of those non athletes are bringing revenue into the university, are they?  If they want to not pay athletes, fine.  But STOP selling their jerseys then.  

kensay3
kensay3

@Mech @kensay3  Yes it is.  The player cannot get what he gets on the open market.  Then NCAA also uses unique accounting practices.  Such as spending the money on themselves, then claiming poverty.  It is similar to you making 100k, paying yourself 100k to cut your own grass, then saying you're broke.  The pay exuberant salaries, pay for unnecessary upgrades to the school, and add perks on contracts in order to take down the profits on paper.  The money being paid back to the schools while none is being paid to the players is the whole point of the argument.

Also, I was talking socialism within the realm of the players.  I never said the coaches were exposed to socialism, they are allowed to compete in the free market.  But the players are not.  I think that's pretty straightforward in my previous post.  The school using the football and basketball programs to pay for other services and sports is exactly my point on wealth redistribution.  Not understanding what point you're making...

sunalsorises
sunalsorises

@OverEd He's a college student trying to take care of his family.  He already is living way outside of his means.  There is nothing about his attitude to date that shows me he is not focused on what he can get as opposed to what he is getting. 

zgray
zgray

@ll316 @Listening  South Carolina would have filled that stadium with or without Jadaveon Clowney on the team.  The support college teams get is just as much about supporting the team/university/alma mater then it is about supporting any individual player.


As it is right now, the 40k a year in scholarships college athletes receive is worth more than what 95% of college football players would make in the NFL considering the majority won't make the NFL because they're not good enough.


Only the superstars like the Manziels or the Clowneys would that drive up jersey sales are missing out on money.

Listening
Listening

@Mr1234 @MikeChiappetta@muser


I guess it depends on what you major in.  You actually need to have

intelligence and discipline to get a real degree that could be worth a lot.  Quite a few just coast by and get a degree in (gosh there are so many I do not know where it start).

OverEd
OverEd

@TheSconnieNation @OverEd@Tag13   Sconnie,i certainly understand your point and I don't vehemently disagree, however, if you work for a company you have the option of leaving the company and selling your services for more - something the NCAA doesn't allow. As to TV exposure, I would argue that that benefits the school much more than the athletes. Given the NFL scouting process a true talent will be recognized and compensated accordingly.

kensay3
kensay3

@TheSconnieNation @OverEd @Tag13  Do you want to include they get free admission to the games as well?  All of that stuff you listed is so they can become better players and make more money.  That's like you saying you shouldn't be paid because you have a nice desk, color printer, and a corner office.  

On the profits part, the country screams about socialism and wealth redistribution, but say we shouldn't pay players because we need to redistribute the wealth in the NCAA.  Doesn't make sense

OverEd
OverEd

soxfan11 -  Looks like I learned something new

soxfan11
soxfan11

@OverEd @TheSconnieNation @Tag13  

A clothes stipend is often included in a full-ride D1 scholarship at least it was part of the scholarship plan when I was receiving a scholarship to play baseball.

OverEd
OverEd

@TheSconnieNation @OverEd@Tag13 Sconnie I disagree with your figures for one. I wouldn't include the costs of travel, nutritionists, strength coaches and other factors associated with his status as an athlete at the school. Additionally, clothes are definitely not included in a scholarship - don't know about laptops/ipads. As for getting into a school they might not otherwise have been able to get into - that's a whole different conversation but actually bolsters my point, that the athlete would not have been accepted into the school unless there was a benefit (financial) to the school.

OverEd
OverEd

@sunalsorises @OverEd    There is nothing about his attitude to date that shows me he is focused on only getting what he can get now as opposed to planning a solid financial future.

And how have you determined that he is "He already is living way outside of his means."