Posted February 04, 2014

Richie Incognito, Jonathan Martin texts surface ahead of report’s release

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Richie Incognito has not played for the Dolphins since October. (Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)

Richie Incognito has not played for the Dolphins since October. (Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)

The Big Lead on Monday obtained more than 1,000 text messages between Miami Dolphins linemen Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito, days before NFL special investigator Ted Wells is expected to release his findings about the situation.

The texts hint at a friendly relationship between the two linemen, which Incognito has claimed is the case. The Dolphins suspended Incognito last year for conduct detrimental to the team following reports that he used explicit language and racial slurs in voicemails and text messages to Martin.

Incognito texted Martin at least nine times without hearing back after Martin left the team on Oct. 28, according to The Big Lead‘s account.

“How u doing buddy? Feeling better?? I miss us,” Incognito texted Martin on Nov. 1.

“Wassup man? The worlds gone crazy lol I’m good tho congrats on the win,” Martin texted back.

Martin later added that he didn’t blame Incognito or anyone on the Dolphins for him leaving, but he said that he was bothered by the “culture around football and the locker room.”

The last set of text messages included in The Big Lead‘s account included Incognito sending Martin an ESPN.com story about the NFL Players’ Association reviewing Martin’s case. Incognito accused Martin’s agent of providing the information.

“I need you buddy I’m getting killed in the media,” Incognito said.

One day later, on Nov. 3, Incognito texted: “Bro can we talk? The Dolphins are talking about releasing me.”

There was no response.

Martin sat down with former NFL head coach and NBC analyst Tony Dungy last week for his first interview since leaving the team last year. He said in the interview that he felt “trapped” because of the situation. 

“I’m a grown man,” Martin said. “I’ve been in locker rooms. There’s vulgar languages in locker rooms. One instance doesn’t bother me. It’s the persistence of it.

“I wish I would have had more tools to solve my situation. I felt trapped, like I didn’t have a way to make it right. It came down to a point where I thought it was best just to remove myself from the situation.”

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59 comments
MarkBecker
MarkBecker

anhone with a computer vcan post on the internet..some even become "sportswriters".. and some of the same that lack anything give us these non stories all the time..a good writer would have done his /her  research before posting this story to begin with


we have bcome a society obsessed with those heavy mindless Kardashian women and the sara palins..should not expect muchmore


NON STORY

PAZSKY
PAZSKY

It just proves how overblown the whole thing was- Richie is a jerk, BUT the text messages prove that he and Martin were good friends and BOTH jabbed back and forth at each other. Again, overblown. This is the culture of the NFL- they play the game, not you people who are the Moral police. 

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

They say a picture says 1000 words... well text messages can writing a entire novel... 

after going through all 48 pages of text... Richie was the victim in all this.. i had initially blasted martin for being soft and i was wrong.. i did not destroy Martin enough.. along with being a liar and putting things out of context.. Maxi pad martin is a back stabber... you(Martin) don't do that tto friends you roll with..yes some of the things Richie said sounded bad... only out of context.... there was nothing to it. judge for yourself...


http://fansided.com/2014/02/04/read-jonathan-martin-richie-incognito-text-messages/#!urB6W


pro sports is not for everyone even if you have the talent

PWINGS
PWINGS

None of this changes my reaction to the story. From the start, I've felt that this was a destructive environment that sabotaged any semblance of a team working toward a common goal.

The questions I'd ask Richie Incognito are simple: "With the harassment, what did you accomplish for the team? Was it worth it?" Indeed, I'd ask the same questions of Jonathon Martin: "With the way you handled the situation, what did YOU accomplish for the team? Was it worth it?"

Finally, I'd ask the same questions to HC Joe Philbin: "What did you accomplish?" To me, Philbin is most culpable because he KNEW about the behavior and either approved of it and turned a blind eye or was too weak to step in.

As a youth football coach, we teach our players from day one that the team comes first. Harassment of teammates will NOT be tolerated under ANY circumstances. If you're not committed to making the team, your teammates and yourself better, we don't need you and we don't want you! Regrettably, this whole situation has made every youth and high school coach's job that much harder in trying to teach teamwork, sportsmanship and the beginnings of a "professional attitude" towards one's work and co-workers.

Thanks, guys. We appreciate it!

Mike D2
Mike D2

I think everybody in the media who was acting outraged and participated inmurdering Incognito's rep owes him an apology. Can't believe he got suspended for bullying this idiot.

mrfrogburger
mrfrogburger

So Martin's career over. In the meantime, we have Michael Vick that organized a dog fight ring and killed dogs. And yet he was forgiven. Football values are f-ed up.

TheVon
TheVon

ESPN and other outlets were reporting this last week.  Why were you so late to the party SI?  Didn't fit the narrative you'd created on bullying?

IndependentsDay
IndependentsDay

Perfect example of how something taken completely out of context can blow up beyond control and look worse than it is.  As more comes out, looks like Incognito got screwed in all this.  

msm
msm

Put your hand in the grass across from the Stanford O-line then come talk to me about toughness.


Robert27
Robert27

Martin's NFL career is over. Can't envision a single team that would be receptive to him at this point.

usamnt
usamnt

Umm..since when does it take 15 years of being in lockers rooms to finally decide that culture isn't right for you? I'm sure Martin would have found a friendlier place if he had decided to do the shot put. He's a nut job that is going to get his delicate sensibilities all twisted when what, he didn't notice that men yell 'f*&k' a lot in a locker room? Maybe you could have figured that out when you were 16.

lionoah
lionoah

As much as I personally am against any kind of bullying and all that macho crap that goes on in locker rooms, Martin could have handled it differently. He needs to be a man and not blame anyone else for his preferences getting in the way of him doing his job. Incognito is probably a hole, but Martin played along and HE fooled everyone. if you are a lamb, dont run with the wolves, it's simple. Find another line of work. Just don't go taking other folks down with you. He needs to be a man and just say 'it's on me, I don't like the culture, I'm out!' Everyone would have been better served had he done it that way.

ShawnB
ShawnB

Whole thing is very grey... if you took selective parts of conversations, most people could be made to look pretty bad.  Incognito might be a meat head, but as more information comes out - it's hard not to think Martin was looking for a cop out.  I had a guy I worked with complaining to me about his dad not lending him money, and I (stupidly) replied, sounds like a real d$#chebag.  He turned me in and made my work life stink for about a year.  Clearly not as over the top as Incognito - but it seems to be more about unprofessional behavior than bullying.  Lesson learned: we live in a culture where you can't say anything or do anything without risk of someone using it to attack you.  DTA.

OswaldoLe'mon
OswaldoLe'mon

Jon Martin is a lazy loser.  He's was raised by lazy blacks.  Richie is the slave master


CoughingSoul
CoughingSoul

This article is certainly slanted in Incognito's favor.  I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong in this case, but certainly there must be some objectionable texts from Incognito to Martin.  If not, was Martin just completely full of sh*t?

RobertJacke
RobertJacke

With a lot of NFL teams needing offensive lineman Incognito will be back in the NFL, Martin not.....

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

i felt trapped.... what? Jonathan "tampon" Martin is the product of the  feminization of our young boys and growing up in a P.C. world hence his balls werent able to drop like a real man... 

a few players should seek out Martin and beat him repeatedly and until they make a man out of him...

MarkBecker
MarkBecker

@PWINGS  ..and when your "youth players" grow up go to college start having sex etc.. many will text just like icognito martin and the majority of sports players


it was not a big deal

MarkBecker
MarkBecker

@PWINGS   dude u had two big overgrown kids doing the texting thing..dont make this out to be anything else


and dont  even begin to attempt to add credibility because u are some youth football coach

ChaseHawke
ChaseHawke

@mrfrogburger  Americans treat dogs and cats better than any other animal. Our society as a whole kills billions of chickens and cows and no one sheds a tear. A couple dogs and people are rioting. 

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

@mrfrogburger  

get a life, dog fighting is nothing... same with rooster fighting... its those that makes the rules decides whats illegal or not...ie if they cannot get their hands fully in it... then its illegal. i would rather see smoking and alcohol banned before dog fighting any day of the week.

pk_sea
pk_sea

@mrfrogburger  Vick went to jail, made amends, and has gone on with his life. You should too. 

PhillyPenn
PhillyPenn

@usamnt  people change.  maybe at some point he said to himself "enough is enough".  Happens to people all the time

AF Whigs
AF Whigs

@lionoah :  I'm sure Martin isn't the first one in NFL history who didn't like the locker room culture, but obviously he couldn't take it anymore.  


I'd like to think that, because these are all highly-paid professionals, if he'd just spoken out and asked them to stop, they would have.  He doesn't have to like it, nor do they, but certainly it should be possible for them to still bond and get along without the more "aggressive" behavior between them.

CarlLegg
CarlLegg

@ShawnB   He turned you in for calling his dad a douqchbag? Any boss I know, after hearing your side of the story, would have laughed and told you to go back to work, no issue. Something about your story doesn't smell right. 

CarlLegg
CarlLegg

@OswaldoLe'mon  

Lazy blacks. Hahahahahahaha. Sounds like you never graduated from high school. Martin and family all graduated from places like Harvard and Stanford. They work harder in one day than you may ever work in a year. 

ShawnB
ShawnB

@CoughingSoul In one of the texts Martin says, "I'm going to burn your house down."  If Incognito had said that, he would be arrested by now.  I'll confess I sided with Martin early, but this whole thing is friggin ridiculous.

dustin.neil
dustin.neil

@CoughingSoulUnfortunately it is.  It has been obvious for a long time that Martin has been playing with the truth to manufacture a story.  His mother is a harvard grad that specializes in workplace disputes.  I am not saying that there were not rude things said between the two but they were in the contexts of teammates raggin on each other.

As much as I dont like to admit it in public I have said things in the locker room that I would not say in public as its like a safe place for the team to be boys.  

Martins lawyer said it well in a previous piece "Mainrtin is using bullying, a big issue in todays world" for his own personal gain.  It takes away from the real problem and sheds a dark light on it imo.


Personally I think the world is getting weak, to sensitive.  I know people have negative views to people saying this but I was always taught to fight through  your problems and face them head on.  Not run away and hide behind allegations like this.  Even if Martin is right he will be criticized for the way he handled these issues.

CoughingSoul
CoughingSoul

So...just read through a couple hundred of those texts.  Seems to me that Martin was, in fact, completely full of sh*t.  The guys were buds!  Hung out frequently and just chatted back and forth.  Seemed almost like a best friend relationship...lots of trivial back and forth.  Starting to actually feel bad for Incognito!  Not only lost his job, but seems like a good buddy, too.  Martin's truly a head-case.  Hope he's in therapy.

AF Whigs
AF Whigs

@friendly--neighborhood--scrawler :  Say whatever you want about the "feminization" of our male children (which obviously isn't a real thing), but if the alternative is meat-headed, brainless macho posturing like your post, then I'll let the women take over. 

Schmoogalicious
Schmoogalicious

@friendly--neighborhood--scrawler You're joking, right?  Either that or quite a few scientists are going to be very excited to discover there is a walking, talking. knuckle-dragging Neanderthal still alive in the 21st century.

PigglyWinks
PigglyWinks

@PhillyPenn @usamntOr more like his performance was subpar, he was in the doghouse, and considering his mother is a workplace harrassment lawyer, came up with using certain elements of the locker room relationship to spin it to suit himself.



Tmackenz11
Tmackenz11

@PhillyPenn @usamnt  Realizing an NFL lifestyle just isn't for you is fine.  Burning every single bridge and betraying what appears to be a friend, as a racist-bully is not right at all.



ShawnB
ShawnB

@CarlLegg @ShawnB wasn't fired or anything, but I was put under disciplinary review for unprofessional behavior.  That carried a stigma and made me ineligible for promotion for a year.  Lesson learned - if something like that is brought to a boss or HR department, it has to be addressed or the company becomes liable if something else happens. Fortunately, I was young enough where I could recover and learn a valuable lesson.  Work is work and social is social.  The people you work with are not your friends and you trust them at your own peril.  I've seen it too many times where someone dates someone at work or goes out drinking with someone at work and it ends badly.  It sucks, but that's the world we live in.

AustinRoth
AustinRoth

@CarlLegg @ShawnBI take it you have not been with a company whose management lives in fear of its HR department, which sadly is many of them. 

I can easily believe it.

ShawnB
ShawnB

@dustin.neil @CoughingSoulYou're absolutely right.  It's just like any other sort of race baiting or sexual assault baiting.  Those are real problems and when people use them to their own benefit, it's diminishes the meaning when legit offenses happen.

Mike D2
Mike D2

@CoughingSoul  I know, after reading what Martin wrote this entire thing was a joke. The story that the media portrayed was ridiculous.

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

@RichLGerhold

Another F-ing clown, willing to have a human being harmed over a STUPID ANIMAL.. are you forgetting they are JUST animals nothing more... to serve the purpose of men... Dogs are born in litters... live 10 years.. easily replaced... compare that to a human's life span and worth and potential... SMH... why don't losers like @RichLGerhold ...cry for other animals like cows, chicken, rats and the conditions they live in.. pets be damned... an animal is an animal nothing more ...  

when i hear people like @RichLGerhold ...speak i just want to choke them out...WHY? because i know you have some dirty animal in house crapping on the furniture, peeing everywhere...eating and living a better life than a lot of human beings on this planet..

 @AaronDunckel 

thank you.... also please let @RichLGerhold ...know dog fighting is still going strong in America.. fudge.... i am going to attend one next week while wearing my baby seal fur coat. 

the things these idiots with time and money pay attention to makes me sick. 

AF Whigs
AF Whigs

@BY @Tmackenz11@PhillyPenn@usamnt:  Agreed.  At the very least he needs to speak out about Incognito.  Sounds like his teammates tried to include him in things, but yeah, locker rooms and construction sites are places where guys razz each other.  It's part of the culture, though not everyone can take it.

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

@MarkBecker

 You proved...  @CarlLegg .. is a success , a working man would be too busy to fight online with others, or maaaybe @CarlLegg.. lives under a bridge with a stolen ipad as his only source of light, heat and communication with the outside world...

but @CarlLegg.. if you are a successful i take back everthing i said about you.... hire me as some sort of ceo where i can collect checks... while doing very little work..... ahh screeew it... that already sounds like too much work already....i withdraw my request....