Posted January 07, 2014

Greg Maddux won’t be unanimously voted into MLB Hall of Fame

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Greg Maddux won 355 games in his career. (Allen Kee/WireImage/Getty Images)

Greg Maddux won 355 games and 18 Gold Gloves in his MLB career. (Allen Kee/WireImage/Getty Images)

When the National Baseball Hall of Fame announces who will be the newest inductees on Wednesday, many expect four-time National League Cy Young award winner Greg Maddux to easily earn his way into the Hall.

But the vote won’t be unanimous.

MLB.com posted on its website how 17 staff writers who are eligible to vote cast their ballots.

One writer, Ken Gurnick, a Dodgers beat reporter, gave his rationale on why he only voted for one player: Jack Morris.

Morris has flaws — a 3.90 ERA, for example. But he gets my vote for more than a decade of ace performance that included three 20-win seasons, Cy Young Award votes in seven seasons and Most Valuable Players votes in five. As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won’t vote for any of them.

PHOTOS: Highest Hall of Fame Voting Percentage

Tom Seaver received the highest percentage of votes in history with 98.84 percent of the vote when he was inducted. Nolan Ryan (98.79%), Cal Ripken, Jr. (98.53%),  Ty Cobb (98.23%) and George Brett (98.19%) round out the top five.


49 comments
RobbCruse
RobbCruse

"As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won’t vote for any of them." 

How can he straight out have his mind made up about every player from an era? Does anyone know of any instance where Maddux was accused of doping? How about even a rumor? I think his (as well as Glavine's) high and consistent levels of play for so many years  despite the fact that so many opponents were doping should improve their support, not detract from it. I realize I came across this article too late and it's all a moot point now, but if this writer feels like this, then the HOF should just give his vote to someone who will actually consider using it. 

Charles38
Charles38

I would like to know Gurnicks' history in previous years.  Who has he voted for and when, then maybe we can find out what kind of a writer this dope is.

philipkossoy
philipkossoy

 Philip Kossoy here...Here is the rest of the NO VOTE:


1.  Jack Morris...3.90 ERA...That would Crush Early Wynn's 3.54 ERA as the worst in the hall.

2.  Tom Glavine...Unlike Maddux...If it were not for the 21" strike zone he got he would have won 200-250 games.

3.  Edgar Martinez...DH...Why not put Bill Madlock in the Hall...He played 3B, no steroids back then, & very similar numbers. 

4.  Don Mattingly...If it weren't for the back!

5.  Mike Mussina...Very nice pitcher...not a hall of famer!

6.  Curt Schilling...See Mussina

7.  Lee Smith...A reliever for a reason

8.  Larry Walker...Colorado #'s...look at the home & road splits!


Philip Kossoy 

philipkossoy
philipkossoy

Philip[ Kossoy here...I Just can't Vote for the following candidates due to steroids:


1.  Frank Thomas - Just look at the body he had! Muscles on top of muscles!

2. Jeff Bagwell - Same as Thomas

3.  Roger Clemens - Steroids kept him on the field or he would have been forced to retire before those Cy

      Young Awards in the late 90's with Toronto!

4.  Craig Biggio...Again, skinny kid turns home run hitter.

5.  Mark McGuire...An utter disgrace!

6.  Rafael Palmeiro...Finger pointing at Congress!

7.  Sammy Sosa...I don't speak English?  See Palmeiro.  

Philip Kossoy  

philipkossoy
philipkossoy

 Philip Kossoy here...Here are the guys who I believe should be elected:

1. Barry Bonds - Hall of Famer before steroids...would have hit 550-600 Home Runs without them!

2.  Jeff Kent - No steroids, long career, one of the greatest offensive second basemen ever!

3.  Greg Maddux - A Master of all time!

4.  Fred McGriff - No Steroids...493 Home Runs...Same total as Lou Gehrig

5.  Tim Raines - Impact player for over a decade...Other guys less worthy are in.

6.  Alan Trammell - Great hitter, a few gold gloves, better than many already in.

7.  Mike Piazza - Steroids?  Best offensive catcher of all time


Philip Kossoy 

Aaron14
Aaron14

Gurnick needs to be put in the Witness Protection Program. What an absolute idiot.

perfectform
perfectform

There isn't a conceivable argument that can be made for excluding Maddux from the HOF.  None whatsoever. He is the absolute paragon of what the HOF should be about.  Impeccable player/person.  How do these little twerp internet "beat-writers" even receive an opportunity to vote for the HOF.  It's ridiculous to the point of being offensive. 

Ray1950
Ray1950

Can you imagine the day when over 25% of these sportswriters decide they aren't going to vote for an obvious Hall of Famer because ...


A/ The player was active in the steroids era so there's some doubt about his worthiness.


B/ No one has ever been elected unanimously so I'm going to leave him off my ballot.


C/ A personal grudge.


Sportswriters have too much power in the Hall of Fame process.  There simply has to be a way to get current Hall of Fame players involved with the voting. 

yummypeaches
yummypeaches

There isn't any rationale for not voting in Greg Maddox . This idiot , Ken Gurnick , isn't voting in Maddox to give more attention to Jack Morris . So the real question is how do you stop this Ken Gurnick from ever voting again .

UleNotknow
UleNotknow

Gurnick's obviously the one on drugs.

Pat11
Pat11

I say scrap the writers voting and let only retired player with 10 or more seasons vote for players. This writer is just trying to draw attention to himself instead of the deserving HOF players. Voting for Morris over Maddox is proof that some writers choose to not vote on players on field performance. I didnt like the Braves durring Maddox's playing years but I would watch when he was on the mound because of how he could setup batters with his control. They should at least ban any writer who make his vote public for the sole puurpose of drawing attention to themselves,  

KristianColasacco
KristianColasacco

People like the writer above who use their vote as a means of only advancing their own name and their own agendas should not be allowed to vote.  

His quote could have just as easily read, "Hi, I'm not voting for Greg Maddux even though he's obviously deserving because I'm a jag off".

GTT
GTT

Well, Diva Gurnick got the attention he craved. It's all about him ... not Jack Morris.

Roy_Hobbs
Roy_Hobbs

What's the point any more? Once they let hacks like Don Sutton in, it no longer was the Hall of Fame; it simply became the Hall of the Above Average.

aadaddy
aadaddy

Annnnnnnnnd Ken Gurnick is an idiot. 

chris92021
chris92021

What this article fails to mention is the real reason: when Maddux played for the Dodgers, he didn't answer Gurnick's questions fast enough after a game. For Gurnick, that's not Cooperstown material. 

ApolloOne
ApolloOne

I know a voter has some discretion and must vote with his conscience. But this is just selfish grandstanding.

chris92021
chris92021

Ah, the Hall of Fame votes....the one chance that sportswriters can become judge, jury, and executioner over crimes that weren't even committed. 


Men like Gurnick are just as bad for the game as people like A-Rod. Selig should wage war against them. 

PAZSKY
PAZSKY

These writers are idiots- you can vote up to TEN players and some ONLY vote for one, Jack Morris, a guy who has NO CHANCE to get in? They need their voting rights revoked.

LawranceBernabo
LawranceBernabo

So in a few years Gurnick will cast his last vote because for the rest of eternity it is the age of PEDs.  That will teach those cheating baseball players....


donald5
donald5

I'm wondering if there had been a few writers at Gurnick's place of employment that were caught for plagiarism, we should assume he is a plagiarist as well?

sfarris.math@gmail.com
sfarris.math@gmail.com

Yeah, the winningest pitcher alive deserves to be blanketed with all those PED users he played against and with.  That is ridiculous. This blanketing of all players of the PED era is not only out of hand, the absurdity is mind boggling to the point that the Baseball "Hall of Fame" is the Baseball Hall of maybe we'll include you, maybe we won't.  Don't forget to exclude Ken Griffey Junior and Jim Thome when they come up for vote as well.  In fact, the entire sport should be banned from the Hall of Fame.  Let's see, Ty Cobb is out for being a "dirty" player.  The Babe and Mickey (among many others) would be out for consumption.  Ted Williams?  Forget about it.  He was a great player, but a lousy coach.  Cy Young?  He had to be doing something to win as many games as he did.  In fact all of those pitchers inducted form the dead ball era need to be thrown out as they had an advantage over those of the live-ball era? 


Ricky Henderson needs to be excluded from the Hall as he is honored primarily for "stealing" something.  Pete Rose, nuff said.  All catchers need to be removed as they didn't hit that many home runs ever.  Get the idea?  

At some point we have to draw a line.  Not a line for each individual.  A line for *everyone*.  Otherwise, hacks like Ken Gurnick control a game that does not belong to just him, or just the BBWAA.  Time to take back baseball.

Snow_Veil
Snow_Veil

Ken Gurnick... guilt by association? Spite? 


Rather ironic to see some of these voters holding the hall of fame process up as being so sacred, and making a farce of it in the process. Time to reconsider who should actually have a vote. Of course, it's been time for that for quite awhile.

CalebBenoit
CalebBenoit

this shows how much of a joke the system is, i can't wait for these old fossils to die off. " i wont vote for him the first ballet... but il vote for him on the second one..." is the mentality... THE CAREER DOESN'T CHANGE.

JoRodd
JoRodd

If Willie Mays and Hank Aaron don't get in unanimously, then NO ONE deserves to go in that way.

CincinnatiLite
CincinnatiLite

Baseball people are ridiculous. Fortunately, there's no real harm in this case, but they're still ridiculous.

donald5
donald5

What a D Bag rationale... If you have eyes that work properly, there isn't a person on earth with an IQ approaching room temperature in Antarctica that would think Maddux was on PEDs... the fact that he was a scrawny dude that still made the juiced up people during that era look stupid should make him even better in people's eyes.  What a p rick

hammer3425
hammer3425

People like Ken Gurnick make the whole process a complete joke.  I say this as a fan who disliked the Braves throughout the 90s.  

BNick
BNick

Wasn't going to happen, anyway - there's always that handful of voters that thinks that if Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, etc. didn't get in unanimously, nobody should.

Beldar Grazinski
Beldar Grazinski

I'm thinking they should revoke his voting privileges.  Ban a whole group of players because some were guilty.  Black Sox scandal all over again.


RobbCruse
RobbCruse

@Charles38 Seems to me, that would be as much of a waste of time reading this article was. 

VMLB
VMLB

@philipkossoy - The Frank Thomas argument is total bogus.  You ever see him when he was a kid at Auburn?  He was huge from the very get go.  Muscles on top of muscles -- maybe.  Steroids -- Don't ruin a player's legacy just because he "looks muscular".  That's ridiculous.  He's spoken out against steroids on many occasions and was never named in anything.

HOFPufnstuf
HOFPufnstuf

@philipkossoy Phillip.   this is where the steroids/no steroids argument gets a little crazy.   You can't say Bonds would have X  without steroids because we don't know when he started.


Jeff Kent - I would have said no doubt juicer, but I dont have a vote.


McGriff - he's a yes.


Tim Raines - Rock Raines.  Not sure he wasn't juicing.   


Piazza - absolute no doubt juicer in my book, but my book doesn't count.  I agree with you about Thomas, and Bagwell and I believe Biggio juiced too.

1023574
1023574

so you're saying Larry Walker shouldn't get in because he had the hitting advantage of playing half his games in Colorado but Barry bonds should get in because he had even more advantageous use of steroids for only a part of his career?

aadaddy
aadaddy

@yummypeaches Spelling Maddux's name correctly would help the "you're an idiot," argument immensely.

jfrancis_sp
jfrancis_sp

Agreed, this is becoming a joke and the writers are to often pushing an agenda.

aadaddy
aadaddy

@Roy_Hobbs Spoiler: You strike out at the end of the book. Redford lied to you.


Sportsfan18
Sportsfan18

@JoRodd NO ONE used cell phones back when they played either.  Does that mean NO ONE should use them today?


Things change, we learn, we improve.  HOF voters aren't being asked whether a player is the best pitcher of all time, but simply whether he is worthy of being in the HOF.


Maddux is worthy of being in the HOF and of that there is no question.  He is among the top 20 pitchers of all time and he is in many top ten.


So, since their vote is to ONLY determine whether Maddux is a HOF player, the answer is obviously yes as he is near the very top of those who are in the hall already.

donald5
donald5

@JoRodd   So because there Hall Voters had vindictive d bags back in the day, we should keep the tradition going forever?

CalebBenoit
CalebBenoit

@JoRodd yeah because people back in the day voters were dumbasses lets not change ? peoples careers don't change over one year so that mentality of "il vote for him next year" is a fking joke

kjenn78
kjenn78

@Beldar Grazinski 


I was thinking the same thing.  Lumping one of the greatest pitchers of all time, who has never once had his name mentioned in any PED report with the rest is just wrong.  If anything to put together the stats he had when there were so many users during his time makes it that much more amazing

RobbCruse
RobbCruse

@VMLB @philipkossoy I agree with V. Besides, I may not be an MD, but somehow I feel roids don't augment the eyes. Hurt was one of the best avg guys of his generation. How will you argue that was roids? those muscle upon muscles POWERED the ball through the infield each time he made contact? Forgive me if I am wrong, but I can't recall not one time that Hurt hit a line drive through and infielders hand? 

WayneWalcoff
WayneWalcoff

@aadaddy@Roy_HobbsGreat post.  I've been preaching the gospel of The Natural by Bernard Malamud for years.  Hobbs not only strikes out, he DOESN'T GET THE GIRL in the end either.  Redford went about as Hollywood as you can get.