Posted December 10, 2013

Report: Mike Shanahan’s possible benching of RGIII intended to provoke his firing

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Mike Shanahan and Dan Snyder's relationship has been under scrutiny as of late. (Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Mike Shanahan and Dan Snyder’s relationship has been under scrutiny as of late. (Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Washington Redskins’ coach Mike Shanahan may have threatened to bench Robert Griffin III to goad owner Daniel Snyder into firing him, according to Mark Maske of The Washington Post.

Shanahan told reporters on Monday that he was considering benching Griffin in an effort to prevent him from taking further punishment after having been sacked 38 times already this season. An executive in the organization indicated that Snyder would allow his coach to make the call on who will start Sunday.

“He won’t step in and interfere with that,” the person said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic. “He’s not going to step into a personnel decision that way.”

SI WIRE: Mike Shanahan may not start Robert Griffin III this Sunday

However, a source inside the franchise believes the announcement of a possible benching of Griffin was intended to provoke Snyder into firing Shanahan:

It is believed that Shanahan would be paid for the remainder of his contract, which runs through next season and is worth about $7 million per season, if he is fired but would forfeit the money due to him for the rest of his contract if he resigns.

BURKE: Mike Shanahan may not recieve remaining money if fired by Washington Redskins

Snyder and Shanahan’s relationship has come under close scrutiny since a report indicated that Shanahan had intended to leave the team after last season, as he was unhappy with Snyder’s preferential treatment of Griffin.


58 comments
beast
beast

RG3 is hype. 

joepantyhose
joepantyhose

Yep, it's all Shanahan's fault.  RGIII would have led this team to the superbowl had it not been for Shanahan's crappy coaching.  On the other hand, could be that RGIII is actually worse than Tebow.  Tebow should pull a Kirk Lazarus, maybe he could get back into the NFL.

MarcBills
MarcBills

@JimmyDorito Snyder hired a coach who was great in his prime but hasn't been great in years. Just like he's done hiring free-agent players since he's owned the team. It's amazing people didn't see this coming. 

DennyCrane
DennyCrane

Shoulda been done last season rather than make him play injured.

dandogwood
dandogwood

Shanahan looks like Charles Manson. Deranged

Joebuckster
Joebuckster

What a joke story. Some hack writer has a conspiracy theory backed up by - NO ONE and NOTHING


SI SUCKS.. 

JohnnyNacho
JohnnyNacho

Haha, heck no I wouldn't fire him.  Until he does something that the lawyers could use to void his contract or at least a heavy bargaining chip for the buyout process.


Looking at this situation unbiased....On one hand, you need RGIII to play b/c he needs the game reps to progress as an NFL quarterback....at what price though?  He clearly hasn't been healthy all year in trying to get back.  He takes crazy hits.  Let his body heal properly and give him a full offseason of OTA's and training camp.  Plus he's going to need the summer to learn a new offense from whatever coach that is brought in....snap!

JimmyDorito
JimmyDorito

Many of you are blaming Shanahan, and he deserves some of the blame, but Dan Snyder may be the worst owner in the NFL. Issues like this occurred before he arrived, and they will exist after he leaves. Redskins won't succeed as long as Snyder owns the team. 

gary41
gary41

It really comes down to why RG3 is not doing so well.  Not all ACL reconstructions are just fine and not all heal just fine--no matter what the surgeon says about how great a healer is patient is.  A contrarian would have been suspicious of this from day 1, with all those odd reports about healing.  Doubtless RG3, under media heat, has pulled some weight with Snyder, who has responded and so we have an organizational problem.  In any case, it is hard to believe another owner, knowing what has happened in Washington, is going to want to hire Shanahan & son. 

KidHorn
KidHorn

The skins play the same game over and over. Get someone in the door who's only there because they're being paid way more than anyone else will pay. Then act surprised that they don't deliver. Haynesworth, Deion, etc... all over again.

KnowshonBryant
KnowshonBryant

Shouldn't RG3 get benched simply for the fact that he sucks?

Starstruck
Starstruck

This Mark Maske is the second coming of Mike Florio with his unsubstantiated rumors from unnamed sources. This must be part of the makeover of the Washington Post into a TMZ rag. 

NebojsaTodorovic
NebojsaTodorovic

I'd like to see Snyder make him fire his son, but the ferret might have contractual control over that.  Make him stay and make him fire ferret jr.


Yep, I'm a Denver fan who went through 8 years of his crap coaching after riding Elway's coattails. Ferret also ran OL coach Alec Gibbs out of the building, and shortly after that the OL went down hill fast.  Ask Terrel Davis how the OL was after Gibbs left.  Ferret made a couple of good and a couple more great draft picks, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

PatrickBatemanVP
PatrickBatemanVP

The Redskins set themselves back at least five years with the RG3 trade. Swapped firsts with St. Louis, plus 2 firsts + a 2nd rounder.

EnashWaca
EnashWaca

Shanahan was a doosh in Denver and I can see that he still is.

GO22JETS
GO22JETS

Brendan Maloy, enough already - we get it. He doesn't want to coach here anymore. STOP already with the  "he said, they said, somebody said"

oldguy68
oldguy68

Another crap job of reporting. "a source inside the franchise believes the announcement of a possible benching of Griffin was intended to provoke Snyder into firing Shanahan" What credibility does that inspire?

sunalsorises
sunalsorises

Let Tebow coach.  He can't be worse plus you will grab headlines every day.  He would also overshadow the RGIII hype machine/brand.

tmike3
tmike3

Fire his son. It's justified. Shanahan will quit if his son goes.

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

Can't an owner fire a coach for incompetence? And get off the hook for paying him? Shanahan certainly qualifies for the title.  He's quit on the team. He's not even trying to win. 

Don't take any of the above for a defense of Snyder. If the NFL could take the team from him I'd be in support of it. Talk about incompetence... 

Orange Crush
Orange Crush

This may be the case, but Shannahan does sorta have a point here. RGIII hasn't looked right and has taken a beating out there. Why keep throwing him out there if he is just hurting himsef and the team for 3 meaningless games? Whether this is a ploy to get fired or not there is some sense in his thinking.

NoQNoSuperBowl
NoQNoSuperBowl

Shanahan is desperate to get out of Washington while the Texans job is still open. Why they are interested I don't know, but it's pretty clear that's his plan.

ITATTRACTS
ITATTRACTS

Guy is a class act. I wonder how everyone who blasted Donovan McNabb for saying "RG3 should play somewhere else because Shanahan will hurt his career" feel now. Shanahan is a clown. 

beast
beast

@MarcBills @JimmyDorito And Snyder signed a QB who was great in College but has never been great in the NFL. 

RG3 is a bust! 

fless_43
fless_43

@Joebuckster Yet you're reading an article written by SI and commenting on it.  Don't like the site or the magazine?  Don't read it.  Moron.

RickDesper
RickDesper

@gary41 The issues with Shanahan are not how he's dealt with RG3 or Snyder, but rather how poorly the defense and special teams have played.  The special teams, in particular, are historically bad, and that has nothing to do with salary cap issues or RG3 or Snyder's interference.  

Mel
Mel

Elways coat tails? Remind me how many Super Bowl titles Elway had before Shanahan walked in the door....

Sportsredo
Sportsredo

@oldguy68 Shanahan didn't bench RGIII when he had 59 yds after the 3rd qtr vs the Eagles but he benches him in the 4th qtr the same day the "leak" of his issues with the owner; and that he wanted to quit comes out?  A seeing eye dog knows Shanahan is asking for the door.  I thought that Sunday when watching the game here in Ashburn, VA.  See the light, be the light.  bolind person can 

trolljaboy
trolljaboy

@oldguy68

Well, if espn, cbs sports, yahoo sports, fox sports, etc all say the same thing then, the reports almost gotta be true.  Its not like SI is the only place thats reporting it.

PWINGS
PWINGS

Coaches get fired for incompetence all the time. However, a coach's contract is actually a  binding contract in which ALL the money is guaranteed as opposed to an NFL player's contract in which only the guaranteed portion is guaranteed and the rest just kind of depends. I mean, try firing a coach and then offering to bring him back for the league minimum. That never happens to a coach yet it happens to players all the time. Coaches contracts are really contracts in the  truest legal sense just as NBA contracts are. NFL player contracts are contracts in the loosest sense. However, Shanahan's contract may contain a buyout clause which would let Snyder off the hook for less money. He's gonna have to fire Shanny and pay up. Shanny's not going to let Snyder do to him what Al Davis did back in the day. No way!

Whatever
Whatever

@Rickapolis No. Unless the coach materially breaches his contract (and incompetency is almost impossible to prove, particularly for an experienced NFL coach), you have to pay him.

Whatever
Whatever

@Orange Crush Ridiculous. RGIII actually looks better now than he did during the first 4 games. If Shanahan's concern is truly RGIII's health, then RGIII shouldn't have played in the first 4 games minimum.


At this point, if I'm Bob McNair or any other owner, why would I want to hire Shanahan when it appears that he is intentionally sabotaging Washington just to get out of his contract and get paid? What's to stop Shanahan from doing that to me if he decides he's unhappy with my team? No thanks.

DugoutBoyz
DugoutBoyz

I disagree.   He showing the public in the best way available to him right now.  He's going "all in" on Cousins...hoping that he has a great final three games.


That would increase his leverage in dealing with Dan Snyder in the off-season.  It also gives credence to the opinion that McNabb was also unwilling to change in order to 'win'.

DugoutBoyz
DugoutBoyz

It's just the opposite, IMO.  


RGIII lacks the confidence to accept the coach's direction to become more of a pocket passing quarterback.  RGIII cannot hit a receiver outside the numbers.  The numbers are atrocious.  He cannot get rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds.  He cannot go through his 'reads' in a timely fashion.  In short, he stinks right now.


Why risk getting him hurt?  Shut him down and let's see how he does next year.


Iin the meantime, we're going to see Kirk Cousins move the team down the field and the Redskins will win their last three games....creating yet another controversy.

George
George

@fless_43 @Joebuckster The same "Don't read it" can be said for his comment.

Yet not only did you read it - you COMMENTED on it.  Then slipped in an ad-hom "Moron" at the end as well.


Passive-aggressive keyboard-cowardly little snipers like you make me laugh.   


I and everyone else here will read anything we want, and then SAY anything we want.

And if you don't like it ...  "don't read it" - much less COMMENT on it, MORON.

:D


joekinder44
joekinder44

So, if the same BS is repeated multiple times, it HAS to be true. Ever hear of circular reporting??

RickDesper
RickDesper

@PWINGS Shanahan only has one more year on the contract.  I'm expecting a buy out come offseason.  The Redskins can afford that.  

RickDesper
RickDesper

@Whatever @Orange Crush RG3 should not have played at the beginning of the season, but at least those games were meaningful.  At this point the Redskins are out of the playoffs and there really is no reason to expose RG3's knee to more abuse.  Also, from a franchise standpoint, they should really want Cousins to do well so they can trade him to get depth at some of the other positions (secondary, O-line) where their roster depth has been exposed.

The Redskins cannot afford to have a high-quality backup QB who is simply wasting time on the bench.  

jayboog68
jayboog68

@Whatever @Orange Crush Can you imagine the backlash from the public, Dan Snyder, and RGIII himself, if Shanahan had held him out of the first 4 games while RGIII was telling anyone with a microphone in his face that he was ready to go? The first 4 games of the season weren't meaningless, the 'Skins still had something to play for and holding the franchise QB out would have gone over like a fart in church. Shanahan is in a no-win situation here; keep RGIII out and face the media's, "He is trying to get fired" line, or keep him on the field and, if/when he gets serioously injured, face the, "Why did you keep playing him in these meaningless games when you knew he could get hurt" BS. Shanahan has his share of blame in this whole thing, but he can't win no matter what he does. 

trolljaboy
trolljaboy

@Whatever @Orange Crush

Shanahan never had full control of his team to begin with.  Bob McNair is like that of Jerry Jones.  A franchise cannot go in the right direction with owners like that.  I would try to sabotage my way out too if i was Shanahan.  The place is a joke.

PWINGS
PWINGS

I agree that he is doing this to show the fans and the other owners with upcoming job openings that he should be considered as a candidate for head coach. He may also be doing this to prevent needless further injury to RGIII in an obviously lost season. 

This has gone beyond RGIII risking injury when he runs outside the pocket. That porous offensive line can't protect him when he stays IN the pocket. Polumbus has given up at least six sacks in the last two games alone. If I were Shanahan, I'd bench RGIII for his own protection. He's regressing and turning into a punching bag.


As for leverage with Snyder, he has no leverage nor does he want any. That bridge has been nuked! It's not a question of "if". It's a matter of "when" and "by whom".


As for McNabb, nobody is taking him seriously.

Whatever
Whatever

@DugoutBoyz RGIII lacks confidence because he can't properly use his left leg and he missed all of the OTAs and training camp.


"Why risk getting him hurt?" Perhaps Shanahan should have done the smart thing for game 1 and started Cousins then rather than force RGIII out there to prove he wasn't ready to play yet.


The only controversy being created is the one being created by Shanahan. Let this be a warning to all other owners -- hire Shanahan at your own risk, and be prepared for the knife in your back. 

Hola
Hola

I believe this report.  Without John Elway, Shannahan is not better than Rex Ryan.

PWINGS
PWINGS

We all agree that Snyder can afford the buyout. The more relevant question is whether Shanahan can afford to wait. Is there any real substance to his assumed interest in the Texans job? Is the interest mutual? If the answer to either of those questions is no, then who cares. 

At $7M / year, Shanny shouldn't be hurting for money if he decides that his time has come to go boating a la Jimmie Johnson and Parcells. But, if he still wants to coach, then the clock is ticking.

PWINGS
PWINGS

@RickDesper@Whatever@Orange Crush "....The Redskins cannot afford to have a high-quality backup QB who is simply wasting time on the bench."

If RGIII doesn't get that knee properly rehabbed and / or if they can't get a decent O-Line to protect him, they can't afford to get rid of Cousins. They'll need him again next year when RGIII gets hurt again....maybe for the last time! 

PWINGS
PWINGS

I agree. It really begs a question that no one has asked. Who was really responsible for keeping RGIII in that game? Shanahan or Snyder with RGIII insisting he could play? If it were almost any other owner (JJ aside), I would have believed without hesitation that it was the coach's decision. In Snyder's case, I'm not so sure. 

In any case, it should be obvious why he can't keep quality head coaches. After Shanny's gone, who will he hire? If (when) Briles turns Snyder down, who even wants that job?

RickDesper
RickDesper

@PWINGS At the point when RG3 was hopping around in the playoff game vs. the Seahawks, he should have been out of the game already.  At that point he was a liability.  

PWINGS
PWINGS

I think you could reasonably extend your argument to include last year's games after RGIII was injured. If Shanahan had shut RGIII down then, he could have faced the same questions from the same people for the same reasons. What's worse, if Cousins is the one who leads them to the playoffs and not RGIII, Snyder looks like an idiot (which he clearly is) for giving up so much to get RGIII when Cousins was just as good (maybe better). You may not like Shanahan but he is in a no-win situation which invariably happens when your boss is incompetent!

RickDesper
RickDesper

@Whatever @DugoutBoyz We don't know how many times Snyder pulled Shanahan aside and made it clear that he wanted RG3 to be the starter.  

trolljaboy
trolljaboy

@Whatever @DugoutBoyz


its more like don't become the next coach of the redskins.  7 coaches in 14 years speaks volume.  Not saying Shanahan was a great coach to begin with, more like desperate.

KidHorn
KidHorn

@Mel 0. But he did get to 3 super bowls with much less talent. I doubt shanny would have won without Davis at RB.

blacksaber79
blacksaber79

@Mel Thats what he is saying....Shannahan CAN'T win unless Elway is his QB. But if he has someone running his offense who is not one foot in the HOF, Shannaham can't win

Mel
Mel

Hola....Remind me, how many Super Bowls did Elway win before Shannahan walked in the door again?