Posted November 28, 2013

Jameis Winston involved in BB gun battle and alleged theft at Burger King

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Jameis Winston, a leading Heisman Trophy candidate, told police he was involved in the BB gun battle with teammates but denied firing any shots. (Don Juan Moore/Getty Images)

Jameis Winston is being investigated for a sexual assault committed last December. (Don Juan Moore/Getty Images)

Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston was allegedly involved in two minor incidents in 2012 that came to light this week, according to records obtained by the Associated Press from city officials. Winston was not arrested or charged in either instance, and both situations are unrelated to an ongoing investigation that he allegedly sexually assaulted a woman.

The 19-year-old Winston and other FSU players were questioned in November 2012 after 13 windows were broken at an apartment complex following a BB gun battle near the team’s stadium, the Associated Press reported Wednesday based on records obtained from Tallahassee city officials through a Freedom of Information request.

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Winston and his then-roommate, Chris Casher, a defensive end on the team, told officers they had in fact in been involved in “battles” with other members of the team, but they denied shooting the BB guns.

The apartment complex manager had sought to evict Winston and three other tenants but ultimately decided against the eviction after an official with the FSU athletic department promised that the players would pay for the damage.

The second incident that was made public on Wednesday indicates a Burger King employee called police to report Winston was stealing soda. Winston allegedly entered the Burger King with three other men, did not order food and starting using ketchup cups to fill with soda. He was never questioned by police because the owner of the Burger King restaurant decided not to prosecute.

Winston is being investigated for an alleged sexual assault last December. He has denied the allegations.

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91 comments
Chuckster
Chuckster

People out here claiming she was a member of the "cleat chasers" (a group of promiscuous girls who's sole intent is to have sexual intercourse with athletes, usually baseball and football players).   Claims that there are photos of her and him that were posted on twitter or tumblr or even facebook.   That they were in some intense relationship and she went ballistic when he wouldn't leave his GF for her.   NONE of  this is substantiated, mind you.   Here's the problem I have with all of that.... Assuming it's all true and she's a cleat chaser, her attorney would know this as well.   Meaning, ANY attorney worth their wait in cow dung, would strongly advise against pursuing charges and would push for a civil settlement.   Her attorney came right out and said "it was rape".   The minute she opened her mouth and made that statement, a settlement is off the table.  Furthermore, Winston (assuming he would know the impact of a charge against him not only to himself but to FSU football), would want to quietly settle the matter.   With his potential income being in the millions in a couple of years, it's a no brainer for him.   So, why is there no settlement?  Why press charges when all she would get out of it is the hatred of hte FSU football fans everywhere?  Why press charges when, if she is a cleat chaser and all of the above is true, would come out and totally discredit her?  Why risk a criminal charge against herself for make false statements to police and filing a false police report?  The cleat chaser story just doesn't make sense.....   but  ......   stranger things have happened.

dandogwood
dandogwood

If the accuser is white this will get interesting.

dandogwood
dandogwood

If Winnie raped the girl then his career has to be over.   grambling maybe would take him

gmag39
gmag39

It was also rumored that, as a toddler, Winston opened a tube of Desitin Ointment at a local drug store & after applying a dab to his diaper rash, returned the tube to the shelf.  The AP could not confirm this report.  

ReidHartford
ReidHartford

He also didn't recycle the catsup cup. That is the nail in the coffin. Piling on time: can he cited for choosing Burger King?

DouglasFennema
DouglasFennema

We have a dirt bag here.. Without athletic skills it's dime bags on the street. Any questions?

BammyBoozled
BammyBoozled

Ignorance is an assault on your thinking that is formed through assumptions. Intelligence comes from the level of the questions you ask. Always be willing to ask “Why”.

JohnSmith23
JohnSmith23

What are you people talking about.  Have u seen the size of ketchup cups??  It's a joke!!  Everyone has done a couple of silly things as a teen.  The writer Marc Weinreich needs to work harder.

BrettRoar
BrettRoar

All are assuming that he is guilty. If that's not the case... WOW!!! He is being dragged through the mud face first. If they do have the evidence to prove it and have not charged this young man for the sake of a BCS football game that is truly tragic and a sad day for our society.

GIJeff
GIJeff

The accuser was one of a group of girls at FSU who referred to themselves as "Cleatchasers" they were known for pursuing primarily baseball and football athletes on campus.  At the time of the incident Winston was already a baseball star and had been drafted by the Texas Rangers.  To say that a member of the "Cleatchasers did not know who Jameis Winston was was ludicrous.  But even if you accept that, she had posted numerous photos of her with Jameis before and after the incident on her twitter and instagram feed.  Those accounts have since been deleted. I wonder why? 

  the incident took place the night before Jameis' girlfriend was arriving into town in the accuser's apartment.  The accuser's roommate and a teammate of winston's were also there. After sleeping with the accuser Jameis got up to leave and told the accuser that his GF was going to be in town the next couple of days and he couldn't see her during that time.  that is when all hell broke loose.  She got upset started hitting hitting him and decided to report it as rape.  Despite the fact that she clearly knew who she slept with she gave a completely inaccurate description, not just the ht was incorrect but the hair also.  She also stated she didn't know who it was.  a month later when she said it was Winston the police knew there were already holes in her story and advised her to consider strongly whether she wanted to proceed.  This was not a cover up but an attempt to keep the girl from making a big mistake.   

  It was not the girl who brought the case back a year later.  It was her family with the help of her aunt who is a personal injury lawyer and a huge University of Florida booster.  Did you ever wonder why a family would leek information about a serious legal case to TMZ and continue to argue their case through TMZ? Also if you notice, no statements are being said to come from the girl but from the families' attorney.  

  the girls case is falling apart.  The accuser's roommate and the teammate of Winston's have both given statements stating that this was consensual.  The accusers interview with the DA also did not go well.  The DA is now in the process of getting the records of the deleted social media accounts and text records and phone calls.  He may press charges against the girl.  He may give her a chance to recant.  hell given this DA's record of aggressive pursuit again FSU football players he may even proceed. He has done so with less evidence before.  But in the end it will turn out that all Winston is guilty of is cheating on his girlfriend.  

dandogwood
dandogwood

Justice needs to be served quickly and harshly with a cruel sentence for Winston.

Cool
Cool

The question is this: Will Winston win the Heisman and then have to give it back the next month?

dandogwood
dandogwood

Please God let justice be served in this shocking assault on an innocent child.

dandogwood
dandogwood

Rape is a serious crime and deserves the death penalty or life in prison. Please don't look the other way on a rape. Football is a game but Rape is  a serious Crime.

jacksonatl
jacksonatl

definitely speaks to winston's character...or lack thereof, no matter how trivial it may seem.

Adolfis
Adolfis

Filling ketchup cups with soda? Sounds like Winston has mental problems.

youngnorth77
youngnorth77

They absolutely have nothing in this case, if they did they would have been have charged him, it's such a joke if  you have something then charge, if not come out and say so why keep waiting, it's a joke so is all  the other crap just trying to drag his name threw the mud.

jarobertson
jarobertson

I heard he broke wind in the FSU library.

rodp236
rodp236

@BrettRoar I don't know why he wastes his time on football--he's Rhodes Scholar material..............................

Chuckster
Chuckster

@BrettRoar Don't be surprised.  If he's not guilty, it's a he said/she said.   If he's guilty it's a he said/she said with a little kick (evidence).   Either way he has put himself in a bad light publicly.  Throw in these other things they are looking at him for and a pattern begins to build.

RockyEagleton
RockyEagleton

Good post GI Jeff,

That's the exact same read I have been getting from contacts in Tallahassee. This one is fairly obvious if you connect the dots. Meggs is not going to jump in the frying pan with a dog of a case that won't hunt. We work with his office regularly and trust me he is not stupid. He also knows he will take some heat either way and having all the available evidence to support his findings will be critical to protecting the SA office from the inevitable barrage of criticism that will emerge after they demonstrate that their is a lack of evidence to support the accusers claims. Its funny how most of these internet posters have such a low information understanding of the legal system and how the preponderance of evidence must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless their is some smoking gun somewhere that comes out of left field this case has zero chance of moving forward since Meggs is not going to prosecute based on a he said she said scenario without the evidence that proves her claims beyond a reasonable doubt. With anything less he would never get a conviction in a thousand years and he knows that.

Chuckster
Chuckster

@GIJeff Jameis, didn't coach tell you to stay away from sites like this.

Cane87
Cane87

@GIJeff Stop blaming he victim.  It makes you nearly as big a pice of garbage as Winston.

effeweall
effeweall

@GIJeff with a mind this creative i really believe Disney has a place for you.  Its like Fantasia meets Star Wars.  Bravo.

RockyEagleton
RockyEagleton

you sound like you would make a fine citizen of communist China . Why don't you start packing?

NoQNoSuperBowl
NoQNoSuperBowl

@dandogwood Who appointed you judge jury and executioner? How about you wait to get all the facts before you condemn anyone?

L7
L7

@dandogwood And falsely accusing someone of rape should be dealt with as a serious crime too. Time will tell.

historiskull
historiskull

@jacksonatl wow, QBs are going off the deep end. did you hear about brady's body guards shooting up the place in costa rico? they got 5 years in prison for attempted murder while brady and gazelle relax in bean town. crazy

Wondering
Wondering

Are you as dumb as you sound, young? First, it's a high profile case, so they want to make sure that they have the evidence and can make a case. Second, a high visibility QB is involved in Florida. This means lots of people will be trying to find a way out- pay off the victim, lose evidence, scare off witnesses, etc.

Chuckster
Chuckster

@youngnorth77 They're going to charge him.  They are waiting as long as they can to let him help FSU into the BCS Title game.   A couple of weeks (in their mind) won't make a difference to charging him but if he can get them to the BCS Title game, it means a great deal to the university.  Once in, he's charged.  Now, what's going to be really interesting is once they charge, how quickly they can get it to court to get a dismissal. 

Cane87
Cane87

@jarobertson He's an athlete.  He's never seen the inside of the FSU library.

Chuckster
Chuckster

@RockyEagleton This whole story is from another site like this where people claim to have contacts and such.   There is no law enforcement backing this story at the moment.  Hypothesis based partially on fact and mostly on hope.

RockyEagleton
RockyEagleton

Cane87 The only "victim" of rape by Jameis was your crappy poor excuse of a Miami candy cane football team. Now that we actually have indisputable video evidence of.

RockyEagleton
RockyEagleton

Victim? I must of missed the part where she proved her accusations were valid? could you provide that information? When will the State Attorney be interviewing you since you obviously have some evidence we have not heard about yet? At this point she is just a person making an unproven allegation. One that law enforcement and the State Attorney has not yet decided has any validity. That's an accuser not a victim. Learn the difference.

RockyEagleton
RockyEagleton

This is a reflection of how far our country has sunk to the level of people getting a less than third world eduction. They begin to think like totalitarian country inhabitants where in places like communist China you can be accused and convicted without ever having a case proved or your constitutional rights of due process upheld. The ignorance of people like dandogwood is what makes terrorist groups like Al Qaeda job easy in this country.

historiskull
historiskull

@Chuckster @youngnorth77 theory doesn't hold. OSU will have more human votes for the BCS title game AND the computer will rank OSU higher after they crush MSU. This will happen whether or not winston is charged because they will play Duke in the ACC championship.

GoHorns
GoHorns

@Chuckster @youngnorth77 

They're waiting as long as they can because the prosecution know's that they still don't have a case that can stick.  Cause they're going to have some real trouble once all those archived social media pages are retrieved by the defense team which will directly prove that the alleged victim most definitely knew Winston on a personal level way before the alleged rape occurred.

Chuckster
Chuckster

@RockyEagleton All you have out here are people stating their opinion.  Opinions which, like your own, have absolutely NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on the disposition of the Winston case.   If anyone out believes that their voice makes a difference on this issue, you are dead wrong.   So, the racist remarks of a couple not included, everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

GaryNargiz
GaryNargiz

And then you woke up from your wet dream. 2 years of not playing a top 15 team besides recently ranked Wisconsin which wasn't ranked when you played them and you will be lucky if you still are #3 by the end of the season. Besides OU will either lose to Michigan state or be passed up by a one loss SEC team. Come back and post your comments after the fact. FSU fans are still waiting to hear from all those big mouths who were trying to sell Oregon as the team who would finish ahead of them. Now OU fans who are significantly behind the number 2 team in the BCS poll are trying to sell the same garbage. Even if it were close which it is not the Coaches can't stand Urban Meyer and would never vote his team ahead of a record breaking FSU. If by some chance Alabama skips up which won't happen and OU gets to play FSU they will blow OU out of big game just like the gators did last time OU showed up and tried to play with a team from the south with superior speed and athletes.

historiskull
historiskull

@Chuckster @historiskull would love to see the 'noles crush overrated bama - but that matchup will not happen. the media is good with prettying up the "picture" but the attention created with this case will work out through the bcs "selections". trust that winston will not play in the title game or get the heisman. notice how he's 4th in the heisman race now? watch the "voters" and listen to the talk about the "computers" as OSU beats a top 10 opponent in MSU and FSU beats overachieving Duke. media cant sell the bcs title match with this cloud or even any remote suspicion at this point.