Posted November 20, 2013

Vikings RB Adrian Peterson: NFL rules designed to ‘baby’ quarterbacks

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Adrian Peterson says allegations of HGH use "makes me feel good." (Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

Minnesota back Adrian Peterson has 851 yards and nine rushing touchdowns this season. (Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson thinks the NFL’s rules protect quarterbacks too much and said he doesn’t think his team needs a new quarterback despite its struggles this season.

Peterson is referring to the hit that San Francisco 49ers linebacker Ahmad Brooks put on New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees in Sunday’s loss to the Saints. Brooks was flagged on the play and now the NFL is reviewing the play to see if Brooks will receive punishment for the hit.

“You think about Drew Brees and the hit he took (against the 49ers). I love Drew Brees. He’s one of my favorite guys to watch, but that hit he took wasn’t a penalty,” Peterson said to FoxSports.com. “So they kind of baby the quarterbacks, but the running back, we’re like every other player. We get hit, and that’s what it is.”

BURKE: Ahmad Brooks bemoans critical penalty call against Drew Brees

Peterson was also asked which of Minnesota’s quarterbacks – Christian Ponder, Matt Cassel, Josh Freeman – gives it the best chance to win.

“I would say Christian because he’s been in our system the longest. He’s able to go out there and run our system with the knowledge he has of it and the talent with what he’s been able to do,” he said.

The Vikings (2-8) rank 26th in total offense and 25th in passing offense this season.


70 comments
kessler1066
kessler1066

NFL rules designed to ‘baby’ quarterbacks. Spoken by a man whose team has no QB worth protecting.

TimSoderberg
TimSoderberg

Should there be rules that protect the QB, sure.  But the rules should protect everyone, not just the QBs.  I think Brees is a good QB, I really do.  Maybe a little over-rated, but that's just my opinion.  What isn't opinion and is fact is that he is short.  Definitely short for the position and what happened here is a perfectly legitimate hit was penalized and fined and cost a Team a game, all because the QB wasn't taller than the defensive player.  Was their helmet to helmet?  No.  Was their any obvious intent on going for the head or neck?  No.  Did the NFL see one of their cash cows take a hit and decide it had to protect him at all costs, absolutely.  (Oh, and I am not even going to justify the stupid remark made earlier about their being a bounty on Brees, that was just stupid).  As I said, I can understand the need to protect QB's, but there needs to be a true understanding of the game being played.  This isn't golf, this isn't baseball, this isn't cricket.  This is football.  And in football, people get hit whether they are tall, short, fat, etc.  There are virtually no rules to protect lineman, the real core of the game, but heaven forbid a QB has a hand put on him.  It's getting to the point that I find myself having difficulty explaining the rules of football to those that don't know because I have to make exceptions to everything now.  It's a joke and a farce.

PatrickCommerce
PatrickCommerce

So because the quarterback chooses to put himself in a vulnerable position in order to help his team, special rules should be made to protect him?  If you don't want to get hurt, be more mobile, or take a sack, don't just stand there and take a beating, and then whine about how the rules don't protect you.  Nobody else on the field requires special rules, why should the quarterback get them... but they definitely do... and why?  The NFL does it to make the game more "entertaining" by generating more passing/offense/points, which apparently appeals to the most fans (I personally find it waters down the game and makes it less entertaining, but I'm not the only fan in the world).  I can tell you that I'm not watching for the QB to get blasted, I just want to see the game played fairly, and not have all the rules slanted to favor the offense, which it is becoming more and more.  Protecting the QB to the Nth degree only takes away from the importance of the other players on the field, and makes the game all about one player, which is boring.

beast
beast

Everybody's all for watching QBs get concussions, damaged necks and legs because its not their pain. 

Why should a QBs job description consist of such dangers? The old way was insane! You have a helpless guy looking downfield while men with a huge weight advantage try to look tough on an easy target. If these guys like Peterson want to see damage and are such badasses then go fight in MMA. 

If some of you tough fanboys arent getting your fix of human demolition then go hurt yourself instead of getting off on the pain of others.  

sean.itconsultants
sean.itconsultants

I watched the MNF game and one of the biggest take-aways I got from the game is the way the defense "tackles" from both teams.  I have only noticed over the past few weeks, but I made it a point to be attentive to the way people tackle.  Even the SNF game had very poor tackling.  It seems that defenders are only intent on slamming into an opposing player rather than tackling with arms to ensure that he goes down.  There were instances were a defended did launch himself into an offensive player and made contact with his helmet.  There were two things taught to us as kids.  1) tackle with your eyes on a player and 2) wrap up the player with your hands don't just hit him. It seems that linesmen do that well, but other defenders try to make the highlight reel.  If you do tackle a guy up high make sure that you wrap him up because if you don't he is likely to get through the "tackle" I guess a third thing to say they taught us is to tackling low is better than tackling high.

PatrickCommerce
PatrickCommerce

ever notice that every team in the NFL runs the EXACT SAME OFFENSE (with the exception of Chip Kelly, whose offense no longer resembles what he ran in college, and is basically a no-huddle pro-style offense)... it's because the game is completely quarterback-centric, and the best teams are always the ones with the best quarterbacks... if the NFL would stop worrying about protecting the QBs, teams would know they couldn't always count on a pure-passing QB to stay healthy, and might actually have to INNOVATE on offense rather than spending 5 draft picks in a row on QBs and hoping they pan out (although now teams that are done wasting picks on QBs are investing high picks in LTs... to protect their 3 top-5 pick qbs)... that is why the pro game is boring to me now, zero innovation... I could see, if you're just some d-bag fan that wants to see his fantasy qb put up 600 yards passing every week, how the pro game could be entertaining to you... that'd be like me watching baseball... i don't know what the heck is going on, but if someone comes out and beans 70 homers I'm entertained... so the pro game kinda bores me now... college is way better

Pat11
Pat11

Peterson needs to shut his mouth and concentrate on running for 2400yards in a year and focusing on breaking Emmits record. But the dip doesnt even take off for his kids death. No respect for that narcissistic idiot.

PWINGS
PWINGS

It's curious that AP doesn't find any problems with defensive players being penalized with personal fouls for "spearing", clotheslines, grabbing the face mask or "horse collar" tackles. But then defensive players don't complain about rules prohibiting "crackback" blocks, blocking below the waist or "chop" blocks. Pass the Kleenex.

PatrickCommerce
PatrickCommerce

I'm stunned by how many people are criticizing Peterson in these comments.  He's right of course; the league has been changing the rules to promote offense for as long as I've been alive (30 years).  I can also tell you that in my humble opinion the pro game has become boring.  I attribute this mainly to the fact that the runningback has been relegated from a primary cog of the offense, to a role player.  Everything centers around the quarterback, therefore the quarterback must be protected at all times.  GONE are the days when QBs were tough guys.  I think people that don't agree with me either never played a down of football, or are just dolts that buy what Esiason, Sims, Marino, Aikman, and every other former-qb anchor rams down their throats every week.  The game has changed for the worse from an entertainment standpoint.  My humble opinion.

ReggieQue
ReggieQue

Perhaps inpregnating more women will help AP deal with this issue.

riley8
riley8

I believe reporters only ask him questions so he can prove how stupid he is.  Run the ball you dolt!

Herroldo
Herroldo

I don't remember Ken O'Brien complaining about the hits he took.  But then again, I don't think Ken O'Brien remembers that he is Ken O'Brien.

chris s1
chris s1

what is the difference between QBs and kicker? with the new rules? now neither are football players


BlueZoo
BlueZoo

AP, as great as you are, you'd be nothing without your QB!  Those QBs you complain are coddled put money in your pocket, son!

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PatriotNut1975

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beast
beast

Maybe the old way was dumb in the 1st place. Unlike a receiver a QB can get hit at moments when he can't brace for the hit and they are much smaller than other players. The risk to the QB was greater than every other player. 

Its supposed to be a game. Not a human demolition derby. 

ianforbes
ianforbes

Just wanna get this straight. If a QB's in the pocket, it's flag football on him. If he's outside the pocket he can be crushed like a Mac truck running into a mini? Is that how it works? Just want to be sure I understand the rule.

randomdeletion
randomdeletion

The whining is worse than the all the penalties that are being called to protect players.

If the idiot players would adjust and start "form tackling" the mid section of players this would be a non issue.

As it is, these incredibly stupid players keep going for the "big hit" and then whine whine whine.  I am getting sick of it.  The league is doing the right thing, the players are unbelievable idiots.

Pat11
Pat11

@PatrickCommerce They had a bounty on Brees. Suspend the player 6 games and the coach for a year. Then the 49er fans might understand the situation a little better. Tell me one other team that got shafted as bad as the Saints before complaining about enforcing a rule that all the players and coaches are well aware of. To me the league is finally being consistant on these types of calls so any player thinking he can get away with it with all the cameras rolling must ride a short bus to the games.

pk_sea
pk_sea

@PatrickCommerce I see what you are saying and my theory is that the NFL wants high scoring games to keep the masses entertained (like your 70 home run analogy). By protecting the QB and creating these strict pass interference rules, the fans get to see more long pass plays and higher scoring games.  A 60 minute game that lasts 3.5 hours with a final score of 7 to 3 is boring. That's why college is fun to watch, because the scores are so high. The pros are too good to rack up those kind of points, so they have to create rules to help the offense. 

John64
John64

@PatrickCommerce College may be more innovative and exciting and all that, but the main problem with college for me is, unless you happen to be a fan of teams like Alabama, LSU, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Florida, etc... (you know the list)  then you can pretty much forget about ever contending for a national championship. 

Even Cleveland Browns fans can have some semblance of hope for one day being SB contenders.  But if you're a fan of, say,  Northwestern or Toledo or Fresno State or Iowa or BCU, etc...  you got no chance. Ever.

doublejtrain68
doublejtrain68

@Pat11 Why don't you put a cork in it, dude? He is nowhere near a narcissist. And for your idiotic, ignorant comment about his kid's death, people mourn in different ways, and what gives you the right to tell him how he should mourn? Brett Favre played two days after his dad died and had one of the best games of his career, so is he a dip, too? But at the same time, you're entitled to your ignorant opinion. 

3M_TA3
3M_TA3

I believe they allow you to have an account to show how stupid you are.

John64
John64

@beast  It's a contact sport that isn't meant for pus*ies.  These players know exactly what they signed up for and they are getting paid millions for it. 

I mean, I can see stuff like when a DB launches himself into a WR using his helmet as a weapon. That's one thing. But the Brooks hit on Brees is entirely something else. That's just penalizing a guy for making a great football play and then ultimately costing his team a huge win and quite possibly a higher playoff seed. 

MattBugaj
MattBugaj

@beast Agree on most points, but a lot of QB's are big dudes. They have to see over the linemen. Peyton Manning ia 6-5, 230. That's a meatier take-down than most receivers and a lot of backs.

randomdeletion
randomdeletion

@beast This is exactly the problem.  Waaaaaa, I am supposed to be able to crush the other guy, possibly ending his season, that is my right as a football player because this is a MAN'S game.  lol

All this whining is so out of hand it is ridiculous.  Tackle the guy.  Simple.  Just tackle him.  There is much room to target between the head and knees.  

John64
John64

@randomdeletion   You know what occurs a lot of times from "big hits"? Fumbles. Like the one by Brees on that "big hit" by Brooks.  That was a game-changing "big hit" too, and there was nothing dirty or malicious about that hit.  That was just a good old fashioned bone-rattling hit.  This is football, not badminton. 

John64
John64

@Pat11  LMAO... A bounty on Brees...  And tell me, genius, where's your indisputable proof of this "bounty" you speak of?  Yeah, that's what I thought.

PatrickCommerce
PatrickCommerce

@pk_sea @PatrickCommerce You nailed it.  I personally enjoy low scoring football games... it's funny how the world's most popular sport is also it's lowest scoring sport (soccer).. presumably because the fans can actually appreciate the fundamentals of the game.  To me the college game is fun to watch because you get interesting style matchups, such as a triple-option team vs a well-disciplined defense.  But yes, you'll probably get the most fans to watch (and pay) making the game entertaining in the most simplistic way possible.  College football and pro football have very different models for success.

PatrickCommerce
PatrickCommerce

@John64 @PatrickCommerce I would agree with you except right now Baylor has a very legitimate hope of making the title game, Duke could win the ACC with 2 games left in the season, Stanford has made like 4 straight BCS games, and if the game were 59 minutes, Northwestern would be 24-0 over the last 2 years... Virginia Tech came out of total obscurity in the early 2000s and was leading in the 4th quarter of the NCG, and Oregon and Ok. St. were never contenders on the level they are now until a rich booster started throwing money at the school,, Boise St. got screwed but now with a playoff may get a shot.... meanwhile, Miami, where all the talent in the world resides, can't find their arse from their elbows... funny thing is, pretty much only the powerhouses have actually won titles, so you kinda have a point... there is definitely more parity in the NFL, I have to admit that

Pat11
Pat11

@doublejtrain68 @Pat11 Unless you were not aware, AP is the one who stated he will run for 2400 yards in a season and break Emmitts record. Name me one other narcicissistic player who predicted he would break an all time record when he wasnt just half the way to the record. Maybe you'd understand better if your Dad didnt take time off to be with your family if one of your siblings passed, to me there is no excuse for that. And Favre is also all about himself also, but maybe you didnt pay attention to  the last 4 years of Farves career. 

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

@3M_TA3  

Most of your posts fairly vibrate with bile.  Get a grip, man.  It's just sports.

beast
beast

@John64 @beast Getting paid millions should not mean that at anytime you end up with broken knees or a snapped neck. 

When you have teams deliberately hurting QBs because they cant beat them then you need to make changes. 

Herroldo
Herroldo

@John64 @beast In slow mo it didn't look so bad.  Real time, it looked like a clothesline.

you have to remember that Brees is not exactly a big dude, so that probably made it look worse to the ref.

I am not saying right or wrong, but this week was a weird week for calls when you consider this call and the obvious hold on Gronkowski.

beast
beast

@MattBugaj @beast But look at the hit that nearly broke Manning's neck. He came close to being paralyzed and it looked like the guy was trying to beak his neck.  No way playing QB should open you up to a guy having the legal right to snap your neck on live TV. 

randomdeletion
randomdeletion

@John64 @randomdeletion A "big hit" can be delivered in the form of a sound technically correct "form tackle" to the mid section.  Those also cause fumbles.  Being hard headed and still hitting high, is stupid.  If Brooks had hit Brees in his stomach, he probably still forces the fumble and they win the game.  He didn't, he is an idiot.  It is not adjusting to reality.  This is the new reality.  

PatrickCommerce
PatrickCommerce

@John64 @PatrickCommerce true but in the NFL 31% of it's teams represent 64% of it's Superbowl appearances, so it's a pretty select crew in it's own right... there are way less teams in the NFL, so really both college and the NFL have about 10 specific teams that will end up being in the championship picture every year.... so basically, while there's certainly less parity in college, there are just as many teams in contention for the championship every year.  I have to agree though, the parity in the NFL is a plus.

John64
John64

@PatrickCommerce  Yes, Baylor is a contender for the national title (I give them 0.00001% chance of beating Alabama, but it is what it is).  

8-2 Duke is currently ranked 25th in the nation-- they have ZERO shot at the title whatsoever.

Of course there are bound to be a few almost-aberrations here and there, but considering the fact that just NINE DIFFERENT TEAMS have accounted for 80% of the BCS National Championship participants, it's a pretty sad state of affairs.

There are 119 teams in Div 1 college football. 15 of those have made it to a BCS National Championship game.  NINE of those teams have been there multiple times.

That means roughly 7.5% of all Division 1 NCAA teams have accounted for 80% of the participants in the BCS title game.


Sorry, not enough parity to keep me interested in it.

And, oh look...!  Alabama is #1 again! Hooray!! Gee, who ever would've guessed THAT??? LMAO...  And they just signed the nation's #1 H.S. recruit!  That's the equivalent of giving the Baltimore Ravens the #1 overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft...  El LAMO!!

 

 

John64
John64

@beast   Actually, there's where you're wrong.  A catastrophic injury could happen to ANY player on ANY given play.  And these players are MORE than aware of that when they sign those multi-million-dollar contracts.

And since when was Brooks deliberately trying to hurt Brees? I believe he was deliberately trying to tackle him and hopefully force a turnover to help his team win the game... which he did... until the powers-that-be entered the fray and decided to hand the Saints a win for no other reason than to limit future multi-million-dollar lawsuits against them.

John64
John64

@beast  Too late, buddy, it's already happened.  Ever hear the names Darryl Stingley or Mike Utley? 

Just because Brees took a vicious hit doesn't mean it was an illegal hit by any rational common sense standards of football. 

anon76
anon76

@beast

You're making the wrong point.  Brees isn't in agony now, nor was he ever in greater agony than any other player after a big hit, because it was a legal hit.

There are rules in place for clotheslining, head-hitting, face mask grabbing, and horse-collaring, so the NFL need not worry about waiting for one of those to occur.  This play was a legal hit!

beast
beast

@Herroldo @John64 @beast The NFL can't wait for someone to get their neck snapped. They have to stop it before it happens. 

Brees shouldn't be in agony right now and awaiting surgery just so a few fans have a moment of excitement. 

John64
John64

@Herroldo   Then if it's the kind of call that's basically going to decide a game with huge playoff implications, they need to make those plays reviewable. 

"In real time it looked like a fumble... oh wait, in slow mo turns out it wasn't a fumble. My bad! Sorry that I cost your team a super bowl win. Oh well, better luck next year, right?"
 

John64
John64

@randomdeletion   OK, so now in the Saints-Falcons game tonight, Matt Ryan takes virtually the SAME HIT that Brees took (high and around the neck) and... NO FLAG.  And the hit on Ryan was MUCH more flagrant than the one on Brees.

THIS is another huge part of the problem. One hit is a game-altering penalty and the other (much worse) hit isn't even flagged??  

The NFL is losing more and more credibility every week...

MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

@John64 @randomdeletion  

The rules say you're not supposed to hit around the head and neck.

Period.

Anyway, why didn't Brooks go lower?  Far more effective.

Brooks broke the rules and got nailed for it.  And you apologists are twisting yourselves into pretzels denying that anything was wrong.

Ed16
Ed16

@randomdeletion @John64 random, I've decided that you're too stupid to comment on these boards. Your previous comments show a lack of intelligence and you have no understanding of football.

John64
John64

@randomdeletion  "scraped across Brees' neck and helmet".  Oh dear!  Get him a paramedic STAT!  LOL...  Poor little fragile QBs...

Either make them wear flag-football flags (preferably ones that resemble skirts), or stop with the ridiculous "player safety" B.S.  

 It was a penalty all right... a B.S. penalty that cost the 49ers a huge game. But hey, if the league wants the officials to decide who ultimately wins the super bowl, so be it.  

randomdeletion
randomdeletion

@John64 @randomdeletion Brooks hit was not dirty nor malicious, but it was still a penalty.  He hit him too high.  There was about an inch between his arm and Brees neck initially, no way the ref could see that clearance.  After contact his arm scraped across Brees neck and helmet.  Valid penalty.  


He should have hit Brees lower.  Dumb move.  He could have hit him just as hard in the middle of his chest/stomach area and there would have been no penalty.  Whining will not change anything. 

John64
John64

@randomdeletion   Yes, those types of tackles cause fumbles too, but that doesn't change the fact that Brooks' hit was not dirty or malicious. It was just deemed so by the idiot refs who will now throw a flag whenever a QB takes a hard hit-- no matter where it is on his body. 

The new reality is retarded at best.  Soon defenders will be flagged for hitting a QB "too violently", and soon after that there will be penalties for "offending the QB with too hard of a hit".