Posted November 18, 2013

Ohio State coach Urban Meyer: BCS a ‘flawed’ system

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Urban Meyer had nothing to say when asked about his feelings on Aaron Hernandez. (Jared Wickerham/Getty Images)

Ohio State coach Urban Meyer’s teams has won 22 games in a row. (Jared Wickerham/Getty Images)

Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer isn’t a fan of the Bowl Championship System and knows his team needs help to reach the title game, even if they continue to pile up the victories.

The Buckeyes are ranked third in this week’s BCS rankings, far behind Alabama and Florida State. Ohio State is just .0013 ahead of Baylor in the standings and could drop even further depending on this weekend’s games.

Baylor plays No. 10 Oklahoma State in Stillwater and Ohio State plays unranked Indiana at home on Saturday.

“Without spending much time on it, because it’s not fair to our team for me to spend much time on it, I will say this — I think it’s a flawed system,” Meyer said Monday, via Cleveland.com. “But when you logically think about what the BCS people have done, and which obviously we’re all part of, I think it was great for a while. I think you take an imperfect system and you do the best you can without hosting a playoff.

“I imagine there’s going to be controversy with the playoffs, too, now. It’s not a 64-team playoff; you can only have four guys. What’s that fifth team going to feel like?”

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135 comments
playemball
playemball

The BCS simply favors the SEC..certainly time for a change. FSU definitely deserves to be #1 at this point!

Boogieman1281
Boogieman1281

I wonder how flawed he thought the system was in 2008.  You know, the year when Meyer's Florida team made it to the championship over a better USC team?

Dustin3
Dustin3

He's just saying what everyone knows is the truth. Div I/FBS college football has the worst way of deciding a champion on any level of football and in any other sport. Of course, I'm sure he liked the BCS better in 06' and 08' when that flawed system allowed him a shot of playing for the championship.

kcole473
kcole473

I don't see him as a hypocrite at all. It's better to say something now than wait until it's too late. Is it not a beauty contest with the current undefeated teams? When he campaigned for the Gators in 2006 he was looking out in the best interest of his team. Michigan got their shot and didn't get it done. It would not have been fair to OSU had they had to play Michigan again. If we've learned anything is that the BCS IS truly flawed, as they let Bama get another shot at LSU in the title game. Playoffs are the only way to make the drama go away and decide a true champion. 

Ol' Time Gator
Ol' Time Gator

Here you go Urban....the S&P Rating...Buckeyes still ranked too high!

In terms of ranking teams, the best measure created so far is the S&P+ rating, developed by Bill Connelly for the Football Outsiders website, as well as for Connelly's own site, Football Study Hall. The S&P+ rating attempts to mathematically make sense of the the data from from every FBS game. It adjusts for varying offensive tempos by measuring the success (or lack thereof) of each play a team runs. It also adjusts for the quality of opponents in an attempt to account for teams' disparate schedules. It is the measure that, for example, told us last year that 8-5 Oklahoma State was much better than its record. The results this season -- the Cowboys are 9-1 -- suggest that was a correct assessment.

So what do the S&P+ ratings for 2013 look like? Here's the top 10.

1. Florida State 
2. Baylor 
3. Alabama 
4. Wisconsin 
5. Stanford 
6. Oregon 
7. Louisville 
8. Ohio State 
9. Clemson 
10. Arizona State



Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20131119/college-football-power-rankings/#ixzz2l8QWrp8O

Craig
Craig

It's a flawed system?  Who knew?  He just now discovered this?  I thought the guy was brighter than that, but obviously I was wrong.  Most of us figured that out years ago.  

UtahPete
UtahPete

Urban Liar is now Urban Crier. 

phughes
phughes

The system is obviously flawed, but here's why Meyer is a hypocrite:

1) HE and FLORIDA benefitted from the system in 2006, that rightfully prevented a Mich-OhioSt rematch and gave Florida an obviously deserved shot at the title. Was he complaining then?

2) His current school was afforded a shot at the title the following year even though they a) had a conference loss, and b) were badly overmatched by LSU

3) HE (among others) would talk up the SEC power when he was part of it. So for any Big Ten fan to blame ESPN for the SEC propaganda is ridiculous. Again, see Urban Meyer 2006, 2008.

4) He had to leave Florida because he needed "family" time. Translated this means Tim Tebow was no longer around to run the offense and he knew Saban was in the process of building a power at Bama. The family time lasted one year, until he had the opportunity to dominate a weak BigTen.

For the record, I have no affiliations with any major conference, but have rather been a lifelong fan of college football. The fact is the SEC is not as strong at the top this year as it has been in recent years, but the Big Ten is awful this year. Just accept it. Has the BigTen had its share of great teams and players? Absolutely, but let's be fair...for decades the Big Ten has used it's clout to get TV deals, undeserved spots in bowl games and the NCAA basketball tourney. I will never ever feel sympathy for the BigTen. 

Also, here's the fact: Ohio St just gave up 35 points to a dreadful Illinois team (not to mention the other point totals to similarly sub-par offenses). If Alabama or FSU played Illinois 4 times each, they wouldn't give up 35 to Illinois!! I will never take Meyer seriously on any topic because he is a bonafide phony- an opinion that is hard to dispute.....

JeffOH12
JeffOH12

If and I say if Bama loses a game and doesn't make the title game you all will be an Urban Cryer too.Don't act like you won't. If the SEC is left out it will be boo hoo on all these boards.

modsuperstar
modsuperstar

It's okay Urban, when Michigan beats you at the Big House you won't have any national championship to worry about.

5lo5h54
5lo5h54

This site is full of badly formed opinions that I assume have been shaped by ESPN, a company that sells the SEC.  They have a contract with them, the ACC, and the BIG12.  The BIG10 dropped their contract a few years back, the same time this smear campaign started, and the BIG10 network has taken a lot of coin out of ESPN's pocket.  Look at how many players in the NFL are from the BIG10.  OSU HAMMERED Arkansas (who were one play away from winning the SEC that year) and Oregon in their last two bowl games, and they more than likely play the #1 defense in the NCAA (MSU) in the BIG10 Championship.  If they do win against MSU, they will be on a 25 game win streak.  Look at these numbers:


Since Ohio State began their 22 game win streak they have been passed by 14 teams in the AP poll.

2012 from 12th to 16th as Stanford 3-0 (12-2), Texas 3-0 (9-4), Kansas State 3-0 (11-2), Notre Dame 3-0 (12-1), and Florida 3-0 (11-2) all passed Ohio State.

From 8th to 7th, but jumped by LSU 6-1 (10-3).

From 7th to 9th as Oklahoma 5-1 (10-3), and Oregon State 6-0 (9-4) both passed OSU.

From 5th to 6th as Georgia 9-1 (12-2) jumped Ohio State.

Remained 3rd as Oregon 12-1 (12-1) passed the Buckeyes.

2013 from 2nd to 3rd as Oregon 1-0 (9-1) jumped OSU.

From 3rd to 4th as Clemson 2-0 (9-1) passed Ohio State.

Remained 4th as Florida State 6-0 (10-0) jumped the Bucks.

From 3rd to 4th as Baylor 9-0 (9-0) passed OSU.

AFTER jumping Ohio State only Florida State (4-0) has played at least one, or more, game(s) without at least one loss. Both Oregon in 2012 and Baylor in 2013 are 0-0 after jumping Ohio State.

These 14 teams have a combined 20 losses AFTER jumping Ohio State.

DallasMorris
DallasMorris

It is a flawed system, to an extent, but there's no need to cry about it now. Play the games and see where it leads. I'm not an OSU fan by any means, but it doesn't help them that they compete in a weak conference this year. As far as schedules go, darn near all teams have a cupcake or two on their schedule, so when I hear obnoxious fans crying about that, it makes me laugh. And oh yes Brett Roar, I'm an SEC fan who realizes the BCS is flawed, but I'm not gonna complain cause my league wins it every year!!

GregSamick
GregSamick

If all you Ohio State and Big Ten bashers knew half of what you think you know, you would know that schedules in college football are made years in advance. There is no way of knowing how good or bad a opponent will be each year. Every top team in every conference schedules "SOFT" opponents. Yes, even SEC teams. So get off your high horses and quit being haters and learn the facts.

DanielWojta
DanielWojta

osu and urban meyer, you do not have a strong enough conference.  Let's see what you, osu said before about weak conferences playing in the national title..Spoiler alert.. I bet its tough when your words come back to bite you, isn't it.  

Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee, In an interview with The Associated Press, the president at the university with the largest athletic program in the country said that TCU and Boise State do not face a difficult enough schedule to play in the national championship game.  

"I do know, having been both a Southeastern Conference president and a Big Ten president, that it's like murderer's row every week for these schools. We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day.  (out of conference games they have played this year, Buffalo, San Diego State, Florida A&M and the 1-10 Cal Bears, really).

"So I think until a university runs through that gantlet that there's some reason to believe that they not be the best teams to [be] in the big ballgame."  (in his words, you, osu, do not belong in the big game)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736

likedoohan
likedoohan

If Urban wanted to compete for national championships, he could have returned to the SEC.

theboneman21
theboneman21

LOL

It's not as though Meyer benefited from the flawed system and has huge $$ directly as a result of said flaws.

People often forget he also benefited in 2008 as well, it just wasn't AS controversial as 2006. Remember how many arguably deserving teams there were in 2008 ?


Texas

Oklahoma

Texas Tech

Penn State

USC

Utah

Boise State


All that being said, he is lobbying for his team which he SHOULD do. And why not have a beneficiary cop to the system he benefited from being flawed; someone who got "screwed" would just come off as a whiner.

TheHip1
TheHip1

The BCS is a joke and always has been. The root of the problem in college football is preseaon rankings which give certain schools an unfair advantage. Without the chance to play an even schedule the idea that sportswriters and worse, a computer, decide who is better than who is ridiculous. We know the NCAA only cares about money, we know the BCS games are picked by who travels well and how many tickets can be sold, and we know that there are strong regional bias throughout the country. Tear the whole thing down. 1. No rankings till week 5  2. No FCS teams on an FBS scehdule  3. Take the conference champions from the Pac12, Big12, Big10 and SEC and make them the home team in a regional bowl game (Holiday, Alamo, Liberty, Gator) and match them against four at large teams. 4. Winners meet in Rose, Cotton, Peach and Orange bowls) 5. Winners meet in Fiesta and Sugar Bowl. 6. Championship game 7. In other words, Decide it on the field!! 

ThomasSchroeder
ThomasSchroeder

@Ol' Time Gator Nothing about the Cowboys going 9-1 this year lends to the quality of this measure simply because it ranked them high last year.  That is purely anecdotal and I am sure this system ranked many time high last year that suck this year and vice versa.  Currently, the system ranks a 4-6 Utah much better than their record, so I'll look for great things from Utah next year.

Dustin3
Dustin3

@Ol' Time Gator Hmm.... Stanford with 2 losses, Wisconsin with 2 losses. Yeah sure, they should be #4 and #5, uh  huh. Though Wiscy got robbed by the refs in 1 loss.

ThomasSchroeder
ThomasSchroeder

@UtahPete I guess there is not much you can do if you're a Utah fan but criticize successes elsewhere.

JeffOH12
JeffOH12

@UtahPete Urban put Utah on the college football map. Still ticked he left huh. He won 2 titles for Florida. I see Florida and SEC fans still count those titles. 

theboneman21
theboneman21

@phughes  

Having someone who benefitted form it say how flawed it is is helpful.

As someone who benefited from it his opinion matters. Had this been 2004 he'd just sound like he was moaning over sour grapes.

As for his leaving Florida - a former player's kid wanted to pretend to be an FBS QB which meant Cam Newton had to go. IN other words, the people who signed Meyer's checks started undermining his plans so it was time for him to go.

ThomasSchroeder
ThomasSchroeder

@phughes There is no hypocrisy in stating the system is flawed just because you've benefited from the same system in the past.  Logic of Above:  Urban can only criticize now, if he complained on the behalf of Michigan in 2006 - Absurd.  BTW, Gators won that game 41-14, so it appears Gators were a correct choice.  This is no more hypocrisy than it is to criticize a bad call by an official.  Do all coaches know that officials make bad calls?  Yes.  Therefore a coach must criticize officials for all calls that benefit them, else the waive their right to complain when the call goes against them - Absurd.

Dustin3
Dustin3

@phughes I dunno why the fact that Alabama only scored 20 points and won by only 13 points against a poor Mississippi St team, is so conveniently ignored. Miss St is no better than Illinois. Heck, the Bulldogs barely beat a MAC team at home by 1 point.

MMoney0021
MMoney0021

@phughes While I 100% agree with this post, you can say this about just about any coach who is going to finish 3rd in the BCS.  Saban, one year stated that only conference champions should be allowed to play in the NCG yet the year his team lost to LSU, he changed his tune to politic his way into the game over the Big 12 Champion.  

We would have had a playoff system a long time ago if guys like Meyer and Saban and other coaches began to boycott this system all together but the sad fact remains that they all benefited numerous times from it from a recruiting and financial standpoint.  So why complain then?  They only complain after the fact.   

bockert2073
bockert2073

@JeffOH12 ESPN won't let that happen since they rake in all the money from the SEC being broadcast on their networks.  Hey modsuperstar...did you see the Penn St. v. Mich. game?  How did that work out?  Ohio St. put up 63 points on Penn St.  It really does not look good for Lil' Blow.

DanielWojta
DanielWojta

@5lo5h54 it's because they play for a weaker conference and have not played anyone in their out of conference schedule.  This year the big tens best win is ND, which the #2 team in the conference lost to MSU, aka the #1 defense in the ncaa without beating anyone of note. In fact MSU's other out of conf opponents are Western Michigan, Youngstown State and South Florida, then Iowa who lost to Northern Ill, Indiana, Purdue and Illinois, the 3 worst teams in the big ten  Your 3rd best team, Nebraska lost by 20 to UCLA etc etc. 

Per your own, Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee, if you don't play anyone you don't deserve to be considered.  (This was reference when Boise State and TCU, teams that were not only undefeated at the time but had won their bowl games, should be considered for the title game). 

"I do know, having been both a Southeastern Conference president and a Big Ten president, that it's like murderer's row every week for these schools (see osu's schedule Buffalo, San Diego State, and Florida A&M ). We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor (yes you do). We play very fine schools on any given day. (fine just not good).

"So I think until a university runs through that gantlet that there's some reason to believe that they not be the best teams to [be] in the big ballgame."  (in his words, you, osu, do not belong in the big game)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736

JustinParisi
JustinParisi

@GregSamick I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Ohio State probably knew Buffalo, San Diego State, and Florida A&M were likely to be bad. Cal is decent sometimes, but not enough to say that OSU scheduled them as a "tough" out of conference game. The Big 10 schedule isn't OSU's fault, but their non conference schedule definitely was in their control, just like it is every year when they rarely schedule tough OOC games.

matthewmhunter
matthewmhunter

@likedoohan why? he did this same thing when he was in the SEC and it looked like he was not going to being in the championship game, and wouldn't you know, they started getting the votes to get in. This is just the same tactic he employed while at Florida. We'll see if it works again

Choutsu
Choutsu

@TheHip1 Yes preseason polls are worthless, but you can't argue that for the most part, the BCS has given us the top 2 teams playing each other at the end of the season. Preseason polls or not, have things not sorted themselves out to this point? 

Do you not think Bama and Fl.State are the 2 best teams right now? If Ohio State deserved to be in the conversation they shouldn't have let Buffalo score 20, Cal score 34, Northwestern score 30, and Iowa score 24. With a schedule like theirs they have to win like Fl.State is winning against their crap opponents. 

Also, conference championships mean nothing. You can win a conference championship by playing in the weakest division of one of the weakest conferences there is. That doesn't mean there might be 2-3 better teams in a single other conference. Common sense.


Dustin3
Dustin3

Yep, the same thing with WMD's in Iraq. We're still waiting for the proof on that as well.

phughes
phughes

@ThomasSchroeder @phughes 

1) Re-read my statement before you give me the historical recap of what happend in the UF-OSU title game.  I said Florida DESERVEDLY got a shot at Ohio ST in 2006 instead of a Michigan rematch- 

2) Your analogy to the bad calls is absurd, not anything I stated

phughes
phughes

@Dustin3 @phughes 

I agree that Alabama has not been as consistently dominant as in years past vs lesser teams (MissST ,Col, ST) . But you cannot believe that MissSt is as bad as Illinois. When was the last time Illinois won a conf game? 2011, 20 games ago, in a mediocre conference. What about Ohio st vs Cal? Cal, a team that just lost to Colorado, who just broke a similar conf losing streak. Cal put up 30+ on OSU. Look, Ohio St is a legit contender. No arguments. They are just not deserving ahead of Bama and FSU. Do I wish they could play one of them in a national semi and settle it? No doubt- it would be fantastic

phughes
phughes

@5lo5h54 @phughes

not sure where the speculation is- hey I enjoy seeing Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St, Iowa, Purdue,etc be competitive in the national picture.  It's good for college football. And No dispute that Meyer is a fantastic coach, but he is self-serving and he is a hypocrite.

GPTampa
GPTampa

@DanielWojta @5lo5h54  

Ohio State only played FL A&M as a last  minute replacement for an SEC school that backed out.  Vandy backed out of scheduled games with Ohio State - (2013 and 14). Ohio State also played Cal which at the time of the arrangement was a pretty good team.  Alabama's only decent non-conf game this year was VaTech who now is clearly an average at best team.  Knowing now that FL lost to UM, Georgia to Clemson, UofTenn to Oregon, Ark to Rutgers,  how is it that the SEC is tougher than any other conference.

5lo5h54
5lo5h54

@DanielWojta @5lo5h54  

I love how you elaborate on someone's thoughts with your opinion.  Last time I checked the last two bowl games for OSU they HAMMERED Arkansas (who as a play away from winning the SEC) and Oregon.  To compare the Mountain West (which TCU was in) to the BIG10 is a joke.  Even if the BIG10 isn't as strong as it was just a few years ago, to compare them is laughable.    

Your argument goes both ways, who has FSU or Baylor played that's an elite team?  You're blind to think the BIG10 is a bad as the media is making it.  Look at how many players from the BIG10 are starters in the NFL.  Stanford lost to UTAH!  They also only beat Wisconsin by 6 points last year in the Rose Bowl, and they were arguably the 4th best team in the BIG10.  The bottom half of the SEC is horrid, so pointing out the bottom half of the BIG10 is not a valid argument.  


GregSamick
GregSamick

@JustinParisi @GregSamick   Yes, those are poor teams.

Just like other top teams.   #1 Alabama played Georgia St. (0-10),  Kentucky (2-7) and Arkansas (3-7).   #2 Florida St played Nevada (4-7), North Carolina St. (3-7) and Wake Forest (4-6)  and #3 Baylor played West Virginia (4-7), Iowa St. (1-9) and Kansas (3-7)

I could go on with other ranked teams. But, there is no sense.

How is this different than who Ohio St plays?  It isn't. Like I said, everyone plays "soft" opponents. And schedules are made years in advance. The majority of these top teams use these "soft" opponents as warm ups in the season. No teams schedules all "winning" teams. You won't get votes in the polls with 2 or 3 losses in your season.

It is what it is. Till the day when these top teams play each other, nobody knows for sure who is the better team.

TheHip1
TheHip1

@Choutsu @TheHip1 No I don't think the BCS has given us the 'best 2 teams' every year. They have given us THEIR pick of the best 2 teams based on biased preseason rankings and a lot of 'well they beat them who beat  those guys who lost to them' crap.

And stop with the final score argument, who cares what the margin of victory is besides Vegas and gamblers?! Stop giving credit to blowouts, it still only counts as one W. And time of year, weather, and injuries change the weight of common games-you can't compare them as equal! 

If conference championships mean nothing then why have them? Schools have no choice as to their conference and the weakest of the weakest this year may not be the same as next year (and that promotes the 'our weak teams are better than yours'). The truth is unless teams play the exact same schedule there is no comparing them. Besides if the conferences weren't so hell bent making more money there wouldn't be a split, 16 team conference and everyone would play everyone. 

Teams can only play who lines up across from them, and so many schools pick and choose their opponent to avoid the dreaded one loss. Play your conference, win your conference and then line up with the other champions.

ThomasSchroeder
ThomasSchroeder

This is brilliant.  According your "best measure":  Gators Losses #11, #16, #18, #19, #27, #63.  Wins #65, #71, #79, #(>125).  OSU Losses None.  Wins #4, #25, #37, #39, #60, #61, #64, #88, #101, #(>125).  Gators best win was #65 worst loss was to #63.  Naturally, that team would have all of OSU's wins (sarcasm).

ThomasSchroeder
ThomasSchroeder

@Ol' Time Gator @playemball This is brilliant.  The Gators have lost 5 games none to a team in the top 10 of your self ascribed "best measure".  According your best measure:  Gators Losses #11, #16, #18, #19, #27, #63.  Wins #65, #71, #79, #(>125).  OSU Losses None.  Wins #4, #25, #37, #39, #60, #61, #64, #101, #(>125).  Gators best win was #65 worst loss was to #63.  So it naturally follows that FL would have all of OSU's wins.

MMoney0021
MMoney0021

@TheHip1 @Choutsu That is a perfect post.  I mean the eliminate conference champions would make no sense at all under this model.  We would be forced to watch 4 SEC teams account for 50% of the field (assuming 8 teams).  Force the Big 12 to add 2 more teams and have a conference championship game.  Have the Big 12, ACC, Big 10, SEC, and Pac12 champions represent 5 of the 8.  Give out 3 at large bids, problem solved.