Posted November 11, 2013

Lawrence Taylor on Jonathan Martin: ‘If you are that sensitive and weak-minded, then find another profession’

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Giants legend Lawrence Taylor criticized Jonathan Martin for taking locker room issues outside. (Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

Lawrence Taylor said Jonathan Martin should have stuck up for himself, and now Martin can’t be trusted among players. (Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

Giants legend Lawrence Taylor told the New York Daily News that Jonathan Martin should have kept his issues with Richie Incognito inside the locker room.

Taylor, who spent his entire NFL career with the New York Giants from 1981 to 1993, played when the Giants kept all of their issues in-house. The Hall of Famer said that while he does not condone Incognito’s behavior in the Miami Dolphins bullying case, he would welcome Incognito back into the locker room before Martin. From the New York Daily News:

“Martin wouldn’t be allowed back in my locker room,” Taylor told the Daily News. “I understand Incognito may be a bad guy, but all that stuff should have stayed in the locker room. I don’t know if I would let Incognito back in the locker room either, but he would be allowed back in my locker room before the other guy would. They are texting each other like two women. I don’t understand that.

“If you are that sensitive and weak-minded, then find another profession,” he said. “That’s the way I feel about it. This is the NFL. This is football. This is not table tennis. This is not golf. I don’t know how you bully a 350-pound player.”

SI WIRE: Report: Jonathan Martin likely done with the Dolphins

The Dolphins suspended Incognito last Sunday, a week after Martin left the team. Incognito was suspended after the team became aware of a voicemail Incognito left Martin that used a racial slur and threatened Martin and his mother.

Taylor said the n-word was often used in the Giants locker room, and Martin should have addressed the issue with the team. From the Daily News:

“I have a lot of friends on the team who used the word [expletive]. You know where they are going with it,” he said. “If they used it in a derogatory way, then we got a problem. You don’t have a problem with just Martin, you got a problem with all of us. That’s how you stop that [expletive].”

DOHRMANN: Former Dolphins: Incognito violated code by continuing to haze Martin


229 comments
1959Viking
1959Viking

It wrecks your whole day when you realize that you agree with Lawrence Taylor.


Google It
Google It

How are those underage girls doing, LT?

OwenCaterwall3
OwenCaterwall3

Nice to see a rapist like Taylor offer his point of view. What a piece of low life garbage.

jonomiller
jonomiller

If Obama had a son he would look like Jonathan Martin

mjhellund
mjhellund

LT is a rapist cokefiend, and he just makes a fool of himself with these asinine comments.

benbona75
benbona75

How tough was LT when he picked up a waitress away from her job on a busy night. Mr Weakside linebacker, probably high on something, was shown the way out the door by a much tougher guy.

JustinBlack
JustinBlack

"Weak minded, LT?"

Define strong-minded. Even you would agree it's not: 

"a life-long drug abusing multiple felon sex-offender, (w/ a minor no less), & an egotistical selfish colostomy bag in general."

A shame, because you were also one of the greatest NFL players ever.

You should've befriended Barry Sanders my man. 

It's not too late......

JeffFreedman
JeffFreedman

Great comment from an alleged child rapist.

DSM
DSM

Given LT's horrible off the field behavior, I would much rather have Jonathan Martin as my neighbor than LT.

norahwillett
norahwillett

What did he mean "texting each other like two women"?  People text now, LT, it's not the 1980s.  And what's wrong with women?I was agreeing with him until he said that.  Jerk.

thebigdawg3
thebigdawg3

Of course LT is correct.  Martin is a pu&&y.

EdEsposito1
EdEsposito1

Says the dude who snorted up Peru and took up with under-aged prostitutes.  Glad to see he finally took out the stupid earring.....

scp1957
scp1957

You're projecting, Larry. Your entire life after football is a testament to the weakness of your own mind. Cease your posing, it's not getting you any closer to your Higher Power.

Doug B1
Doug B1

Taylor talking about weak minded.  Let's see- drug addict and his situations with 'young' prostitutes- weak minded. He should know.

sterculius65
sterculius65

Hey Incognito,

At least the child rapist is on your side!

Psy Power
Psy Power

LT won't be interviewed live on ESPN at anytime soon.

hulksmashgq
hulksmashgq

NFL Locker Rooms and Wall Street Board Rooms are eerily similar.  They're places that reward sociopathic behavior and punish people for actually having sensitivity, empathy, and perspective.  Something tells me that the successful franchises and blue chip companies don't have environments like this.

SpartanTarget
SpartanTarget

Yes, Mr. Martin. The man to listen to for tips on football behavior and mental strength is definitely the guy who failed two drug tests, was suspended for cocaine use while in the league, swapped in urine from his teammates to spoof the drug tests he actually passed, sent prostitutes to opponents' hotels and pleaded guilty to tax fraud after retiring. Well, I suppose you could take advice from present-day LT. Oh, wait, there was the 2009 hit-and-run conviction and the 2011 guilty plea for having sex with a 16-year-old girl.

Truly, the man's a guru.

AndrewM1
AndrewM1

Yes, LT.  A crack addict is certainly one to lecture on being mentally strong.

TeeHolmes
TeeHolmes

Dolphins handled this whole situation irresponsibly. How can you not know what is going on in your own locker room? Nobody deserves to work under those types of conditions. Even though you try to knock your opponents heads off on Sunday,you are still human beings with feelings.

mrfrogburger
mrfrogburger

I guess it's better to be a criminal or drug addict in the NFL than someone who would like the workplace to have a little more decency. I love football but that mindset makes me question why I should keep watching and giving money to people like this.

Honest_Abe
Honest_Abe

I just wanted to read what Taylor thinks. For the most part I don't read the comments because they are mostly filled with individuals spewing insults and resorting to derogatory name calling. Here is news for all of you. You are not the solution you are the problem. The only way to eliminate this is for EVERYONE to stop the insults. Whatever LT, Martin, and Incognito have done, they are still human beings. NOBODY deserves treatment like this. Many of you are passing judgement on them when you are behaving no differently by belittling others. Ask yourselves, if you have ever insulted another person? If so, what gives you the right to treat others like garbage?

ITATTRACTS
ITATTRACTS

@norahwillett he's talking about being catty and saying nasty things back and forth. and he's right. 

mjhellund
mjhellund

@thebigdawg3 And you'd be glad to point that out to him in person, right? Big talk on the interwebs.

oldmsrebel
oldmsrebel

@Psy Power LT may have problems , like all of us . BUT  ,  a candy butt he aint !  Be a man , stand up and get the job done and QUIT the texting and whining ! 

inthepresent
inthepresent

@hulksmashgq 

not sure what "tells" you that. 

taylor himself was quite the ballplayer - in the discussion of the best linebacker ever and a winner of 2 superbowls - and he says that he wouldn't welcome martin back in the locker room. 

incognito is a violent scumbag. true. but your point doesn't stand. 

scp1957
scp1957

@SpartanTarget Next up, important insights from Jovan Belcher, who took the "manly" way out of his troubles.

nygiants56
nygiants56

Not sure how his personal problems and failures lessen the validity of his comments on this topic.  Regardless of his faults, Taylor is, arguably, a top 5 all-time NFL player and, obviously, a Hall of Famer.  I'd say that qualifies him to weigh-in.  

JayJackson2
JayJackson2

@AndrewM1 No, but he certainly knows what it takes to compete at the highest level.

oldmsrebel
oldmsrebel

@Honest_Abe You are SO right !  ALL of us have Problems and have NO right to do to people as espn and media has done !  LT Was a Player , whatever his problems and should have a say !  Won superbowls too, you think the wussing of football players brings a superbowl. Men are SO girly it is a shame. Wearing pants like Girls , AND with girly manners !  Shame on them !

bobinpowell
bobinpowell

@Honest_Abe Unless Taylor has such a big ego that he reads everything on-line he can find about himself, he won't even know about these comments.  Of course, he'd have to know how to read, too.

Bigtruth
Bigtruth

@nygiants56 Aren't we also talking about Jonathan Martin's personal problems?  LT's credibility has everything to do with if we are going to accept his opinion or not.  His personal problems give him ZERO credibility as far as I'm concerned.

inthepresent
inthepresent

@JimSmith4 @inthepresent 

he is discussing weak-mindedness as it pertains to football, and he is certainly qualified to do so based on his obvious success in that arena. 

as far as my assumption with regard to winning teams' locker rooms and such, it's an assumption based on following the NFL for most of my life and following many players' commentary on this specific issue. 

not all franchises do, certainly. but enough former and current winning players have asserted that it is a culture like no other - one in which certain kinds of behaviors that are repulsively unacceptable to regular folk, is encouraged.   

JimSmith4
JimSmith4

@inthepresent

Actually, he is in no position to talk about not being weak minded when he has shown to repeatedly be weak minded.  Your supposition that because he is a former NFL football player, good or not, somehow makes him the ideal person to comment on who is right and wrong in the Martin vs. Incognito issue is completely flawed.  

And your broad based assumption that successful franchises have those sorts of people and those sorts of environments is just that; an assumption.  You have no proof of it whatsoever!

inthepresent
inthepresent

@Bigtruth @inthepresent @hulksmashgq 

yes, he is. 

and that fact makes him no less qualified to make the comment that he did. 

so the original point doesn't stand. successful franchises have those sorts of people and those sorts of environments. some more, some less.  

inthepresent
inthepresent

@JimSmith4 @inthepresent

“If you are that sensitive and weak-minded, then find another profession”. 

he's discussing football. he never mentioned right or wrong (your words). 

at the risk of repeating myself, LT is eminently qualified to discuss success (or lack thereof) as it pertains to football and the frame of mind necessary for it.  

JimSmith4
JimSmith4

@inthepresent

Actually, he is in no position to talk about not being weak minded when he has shown to repeatedly be weak minded.  Your supposition that because he is a former NFL football player, good or not, somehow makes him the ideal person to comment on who is right and wrong in the Martin vs. Incognito issue is completely flawed.  

inthepresent
inthepresent

@Bigtruth @nygiants56 

in terms of football, he is eminently qualified to comment. an opinion to the contrary is the epitome of foolishness. just look at his body of work on the football field.