Posted November 07, 2013

Agent: Jonathan Martin had issues with several Dolphins

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Jonathan Martin had started all seven games for the team this season. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz)

Jonathan Martin had started all seven games for the team this season. (AP Photo/Alan Diaz)

Richie Incognito wasn’t the only Dolphins player offensive tackle Jonathan Martin had issues with, his agent told ESPN’s Mark Schwarz on Thursday.

Agent Rick Smith told ESPN that Martin, who walked out on the team last week, is doing very well but wouldn’t say when his client would return to the team.

It’s the latest volley between Martin’s advisers, Dolphins players and media reports.

MMQB: An insider’s look at Incognito and Martin

On Thursday, Fox Sports 1′s Alex Marvez reported Incognito was expected to file a grievance with the Dolphins after the team suspended him indefinitely following the release of voice mails that included a racial slur, expletives and threats against Martin and his family.

On Wednesday, ProFootballTalk.com cited multiple league sources in reporting Smith called Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland before his client left the team Oct. 28 and complained about the manner in which the second-year player was being treated by Incognito.

In response, Ireland suggested Martin respond to Incognito physically and specifically mentioned that he should “punch” the veteran guard, the sources told ProFootballTalk.com.

Incognito and some of his teammates have denied that he bullied Martin, a second-year offensive lineman.

On Tuesday, in Incognito’s most recent comments about the scandal, he said, “I’m just trying to weather the storm right now. This will pass.”

Martin reportedly checked himself into a hospital for treatment immediately after leaving the team’s headquarters.


114 comments
AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

Martin had the physical attributes and intelligence to function well in college. But in the pros his physical attributes are average or worse given the way he gets manhandled routinely. One can make up for less than dominant physical gifts by intensity in training and practice, aggressiveness and will to win in contact, by mental toughness - but those attitudinal strengths are not part of Martin's skill set (even though they are part of Incognitos). Martin is a boy among men attitudinally. Not cut out for the NFL. Now he has found a way to whine his way into millions with the only expense being maligning his teammates - an expense he has no concern with - and he will never succeed in the NFL for exactly that reason, lack of character.

TangieG
TangieG

Martin have issues with Martin!

dmohr32
dmohr32

Let's take this issue from a different prospective. Martin was a high draft pick so he is under a lot of pressure to perform. He isn't doing as well as expected and it's noticeable.Yes, Incognito sent questionable text to Martin, 7 months ago!? I would think if other players heard racist statements being said to anyone they would have stepped up and taken issue with it, there are other 350lb players in that locker room full of testosterone!! So my point is if Martin felt he couldn't handle it and wanted out, but didn't want to lose his money, mommy and daddy being Harvard schooled lawyers found the ingredients. Just a thought.

Observerofbs
Observerofbs

Let's face it, defense's figured out how to blow by him. Just talk stake about his family, he will just break down. Wow really!

Mech
Mech

I don't think anyone is denying that Incognito went too far in trying to toughen up Martin. So who is the locker room backing,,, its not Martin so far. The gay lobby and the politically correct are sharpening their moral argument that somehow this testosterone filled locker room is the problem. Maybe we should just change football to a kind of chess battle where the players get together and talk about their issues and we will declare a winner when five or more players are in tears.  Sports is now mirroring politics and social issues. No more tackling, we will just give butt pats to clear the way for our running backs. Social justice demands we have lesbian quarterbacks, transgender running backs. We will all vote liberal and San Francisco will win the Superbowl.

mattdolloff
mattdolloff

The Dolphins were pegged this year as a sleeper team in the league and possibly even a contender to dethrone the Patriots in the AFC East. They do have plenty of talent on both sides of the ball. Yet they're 4-4 and seemingly on their way to another mediocre-at-best season. So tell me how a locker room culture like theirs could possibly be good for a team.

CamNY
CamNY

Tannehill really comes off like a d-bag in this situation. he won't even stick up for the guy that protects his blind side. glad to see where your head is at tannehill. 

JeffWilliams
JeffWilliams

So what if Martin punches Incognito in the mouth.

Is Incognito above suing another player for monetary reasons? He seems to think Rookies should buy jet skis for veterans and pay 30,000 dollar dinners. NFL Players are not immune to being arrested and charged with battery on another person. Same as every day work, if you get into an argument with a co-workers, you and the other person are called into HR and reprimanded. Should you hit a fellow co-worker, you get fired, if the person for whom you hit decides to press charges, you get arrested, you get charged and it goes to court, you get convicted of assault and battery. You get a felony charge or you get it reduced to a misdemeanor. You have a problem going back into your choosen profession if you are charged with a felony and you have problems finding another job if a future employer ask why you got fired?

So, anyone questioning Martin for not standing up to himself and fighting Incognito? I ask you this, would you do the same in your 9-5 job?


CamNY
CamNY

Martin is a f**kin stanford grad for crying out loud, hes not an idiot. if your being harassed by an a--hole and probably pouncey who has a rap sheet like most criminals. he did what any civilized man would do. he complained to the gm who said to just confront incognito physically. we are only really scratching the surface on this one. Martin was probably the smartest guy in that locker room by a landslide. 

HayeemRudy
HayeemRudy

Martin walks into the team cafeteria, his offensive line teammates waive for him to sit down, he sits down, they stand up. That's it? That's what this 320 pound nfl player is crying about? That's why he felt the need to "tell the teacher"? A harmless high school prank that frankly the public should not have even known about. Martin is a rookie, it is acknowledged that rookies are to be treated like rookies in their first year. This type of "hazing" goes on in NFL locker rooms every single day, its simply part of the ropes, and its implemted primarily to develop mental toughness. The only difference is there isn't a hyper sensitive kid, who has been pampered with a velvet glove his entire life in every NFL locker room.

Gapzilla
Gapzilla

You know who's loving all of this? Mike Pouncey is. Dude got hit with a subpoena two weeks ago in connection with the Hernandez case, with possible involvement in an illegal gun running operation from state to state, which is a federal crime, and that story got swept under a rock.

PatrickBatemanVP
PatrickBatemanVP

Dolphins should just release Martin. You can never trust a rat.

PittmanRonald
PittmanRonald

What's even more sad are those fans who say, he's a 300 lb man, this is "the way it is" in professional football. What's the bigger problem? Blind acceptance of the status quo? Don't "rock the boat"?

He's a man who doesn't accept the status quo. He's there to play football and support his family, NOT the lifestyle of some deranged bully who has a different agenda.

Look at Incognito's "body of work". Suspensions everywhere he's been, college and pro, sexual harassment charges, crazy phone messages, with shocking threats.

And Martin is the problem? Ge your heads out of the sand and SEE this for what it really is folks!

alex13amaya
alex13amaya

If anything good comes out of this is if the Dolphins fire Philbin and Ireland, they are both awful. 

alex13amaya
alex13amaya

I'm sorry but if you listen to the Lydon Murtha story plus what all the teammates are saying you would come to the conclusion that Martin was just too damn sensitive to be in the NFL, yes Incognito is an a-hole and probably didn't consider that his words were damaging Martin, Incognito probably talks to everyone that way and everybody just goes along with it and accepts it, obviously Martin was that one person who could not deal with it. There is a reason why the whole voice mail wasn't released by Martin's lawyer from what I understand is that Incognito was joking with Martin even though he did use the "N" word, but Incognito has used that word with other teammates (Mike Pouncey) but I guess in the locker room that word is not so discriminating as it would be if used in the corporate world. I know I use it with my brother and I'm not even black "hey was sup my ni..." but I guess is just the culture you grow up in. 

dhzlatar
dhzlatar

Time to clean the house. Ireland and Philbin have to go. Your boss can´t say resolve the problem punching another co-worker. That´s well below professionalism in any way. BTW The Dolphins play against the winless Buccs next Monday on national TV. 

PittmanRonald
PittmanRonald

Once again, the NFL "good ole boy network" goes into overdrive.This says a lot about the state of professional athletics, when a "high school" mentality of "cliques and bullying" takes priority over doing what's best for the team. It is apparent that this "boorish", knuckle-dragging Neanderthal isthe "cancer" on this team, and the reality is there isn't enough strength of character to fight it.Hats off to Martin for "standing up". It takes more "courage" to do what Martin did, than what it took for the team members who called him a "coward" have done, cowering in the shadows and supporting the kinds of behaviors that stand for everything WRONG in our society!Have always been a Dolphins fan. Those days are done! There's no integrity nor backbone in this organization.

Observerofbs
Observerofbs

Especially if you are doing your job well and not letting defenses run through you like the wind. Lets face it, the guy should of been benched, but the GM got rid of Jake Long and was reaching to replace him. This is on Ireland a total du__bag. He let this go too far. The team culture reflects the MANAGEMENT.

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

@Mech It sounds as though you are denying that Incognito went too far.

Mech
Mech

@mattdolloff So they should all be like Martin ?  Glad to hear you pegged the problem.

AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

@CamNY Tannehill spoke the truth as he observed it. He saw big guys bantering as guys do and did not see anything unusual in it. I might not that it was not unusual in locker rooms I was in. Both Incognito and Martin protect Tannehill. In any case I do not expect Tannehill to say anything other than the truth as he understood it. 

Observerofbs
Observerofbs

That has been the problem, Tannehill has been on his back because of this tough mentally stable left gaurd, if he was doing his job, this would not have gone this far! Wake up.

Tom52
Tom52

@JeffWilliams the nfL isn't like every other day at work. Try to open your mind up a bit and see things from the other players point of view.

nygiants56
nygiants56

@JeffWilliams   In the real world you make sense.  However, this is not real life. People need to stop equating pro sports with real like.  It is pro football. Bottom line - Martin should have said "no" and backed it up, exactly as countless rookies have done before him.  Do you think that this is the first rookie that has been badgered, beaten, called names, had his manhood questioned?  Obviously, no.  But Martin is the first one to walk out and all of a sudden, football players are mean and horrible people?  

AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

@CamNY Did he complain to the GM? My understanding is that his agent spoke to the GM not Martin and did so as Martin was leaving basically. If he was going to complain, the first step would be to say something to Incognito. Depending on how that goes you escalate or not. I expect Incognito would have been shame faced and backed off. 

Jim Stewart
Jim Stewart

@HayeemRudy How about telling him over and over that they were going to "train his sister"?  They were going to gang bang her?  That was just part of it.   This is nothing more than sophomoric BS.  Time for the childish behavior to be over with.

bryoman
bryoman

@HayeemRudy Moron, that is the only way to describe what you just wrote, you must and have to be an utter Moron.  I can't possibly read another one of your quotes in fear that it could rub off on me and I would lose some sense of proper grammer and insight.  Priceless.

Tim38
Tim38

@HayeemRudy Geez...you write a lot about something you apparently know absolutely nothing about.  1) Martin is not a rookie 2) There were threatening phone calls 3) He was being pressured to pay money for things he wasn't participating in and those are just the allegations I know of and I don't even follow the story closely.  I've read explanations for all of it but not Martin's side really.  So before you post, read a little more.

CamNY
CamNY

@HayeemRudy  your dumb to think that this entire situation is just completely based on one incident. 

AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

@PatrickBatemanVP I agree - subject to the proviso that their lawyers need input to reduce the liability. There will probably be a cash payout involved. Martin is in a position where he can extort the cash by threatening continuing bad publicity and future lawsuits. 

mattdolloff
mattdolloff

@PatrickBatemanVP Don't be ridiculous, nobody deserves the kind of treatment Martin's getting from his teammates. And like most bullying situations handling the problem in-house probably wouldn't have solved anything. You can't possibly believe this stuff happens to the same extent in the locker rooms of winning franchises. The fact that Richie Incognito goes around doing this and gets the support from his teammates is indicative of the problem itself, not anything wrong with Martin. The fact that nobody is supporting Martin in the locker room tells me that entire room is messed up, not him.

AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

@PittmanRonald Included in Incognito's body of work is a recent Pro Bowl and actually doing his job this year while Martin got demoted and has never been very good as a tackle. 

hatespin
hatespin

@alex13amaya MURTHA AND MARTIN WERE NOT EVEN ON THE TEAM AT THE SAME TIME!!!  Do the math - Murtha's stats and NFL.com show the last time he played was the 2010 season.  He even admits to having "retired" (forcibly - he was cut), the summer of 2012.  On the other hand, he was a teammate and friend of Incognito at Nebraska.  He was certainly not on the team during the 2013 Vegas trip.  Who wrote that or fed it to him?  More simple math = Incognito.  I'd say it was Incognito's PR people, but it was so sloppily done, it looks like Incognito wrote it himself.  

Tim38
Tim38

@alex13amaya It's weird how everything is always a joke and the guy who can't take it is just too sensitive right?

Tom52
Tom52

@PittmanRonald how can Incognito be the cancer of the team when his team mates stand up for him in the face of such withering media criticism? It takes no courage to quit, it takes courage to stand up for yourself. You sound like a real wuss.

nygiants56
nygiants56

@PittmanRonald   Not going to pull the "have you ever played football" question here, because it really doesn't matter.  You have strong opinions I respect.  With that - -  "knuckle-dragging Neanderthal is the "cancer" on this team?"  This guy is exactly the kind of guy GM's want on their team.  If equal in capability, zero GM's would take Martin over Incognito.  He's brave because he refused to stand-up for himself?  This is not - again - real-life.  Not a kid on a playground or in a classroom.  If his personality is such that he cannot cope with being a pro football player, then he should not be a pro football player.

GrizzlyStats
GrizzlyStats

@Observerofbs If your player is not performing up to expectations, you bench him, you cut him, or you try and work with him to find a way to get him to improve. You don't immaturely take out your own frustrations as a coach out on him, or cowardly encourage his own teammates to bully him. That is a self-indulgence that shows an utter lack of regard for the well-being of the people who are under your responsibility. If it weren't for sandusky it would be hard to find a more vile human being than Incognito, but even so, the person who most disgusts me in this entire saga is the coach. If there's a  poisonous locker-room culture, it's up to him to find solutions. If Joe Paterno had to be held accountable for the crimes conducted within his organization, so should the coach and management of the Miami Dolphins.

AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

@Jim Stewart @Mech If Mech was not than I will. I deny Incognito went too far. Incognito made a mistake trying to fit into ghetto culture and language when the reality is that with a politically correct media, no caucasian can - even if he believes he is accepted by the black players, as he was. Not smart. But in terms of his relationship with Martin, the banter and kidding - I hate to tell you but athletes banter and kid and get angry and insult each other all the time. Welcome to the arena. If you are looking for politically correct milquetoast people you should probably go to a chess locker room. 

mattdolloff
mattdolloff

@Mech I'm not saying they need to turn the locker room into a big therapy session like you're suggesting. Some level of mental toughness is required to play in the NFL. But I seriously doubt this stuff goes on to the same extent right now in the Denver, New England, Kansas City, Seattle, or Indianapolis locker rooms. The fact that nobody is backing Martin in this situation is indicative of the problem itself, not that there's something wrong with Martin. The fact that Richie Incognito endears himself to his teammates is itself the problem here. Just because the guy has good chemistry with other teammates doesn't mean he has good character or that it's good for the team.

Observerofbs
Observerofbs

Your dumb to think you know the facts. The is plenty of blame. If a well adjusted warrior gels with his constituents, they typically work out situations, however, this guy really did not want to play in the first place. He did not know how to quit without looking like a Puss***.

Tom52
Tom52

@mattdolloff @PatrickBatemanVP  the fact that the entire room is backing Incognito is exactly why you should question Martin. If his actions were so bad why do black team mates back him? This isn't the office and unless you've been in an NFL locker room day in and day out you have no idea what you are talking about. I bet you are a libtard too.

AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

@Tom52 @PittmanRonald Actually I admire the Dolphins team for speaking the truth as they see it in supporting Incognito even though it would be easy to throw him to the politically correct wolves of the media.

Tim38
Tim38

@nygiants56 @PittmanRonald Most teams don't want Incognito exactly because of this kind of stuff.  Just because you think it will happen doens't mean it has to happen or condoned.  People can be tough, respectful and professional.  They aren't mutually exclusive.  If you're going to pay grown men millions of dollars to play a boy's game then at least demand they behave like grown men and not little boys.

woodysc
woodysc

@nygiants56 @PittmanRonald Except of course for the actual GM/coaches who have said they had a "Do Not Draft" tag on Incognito.  See Bill polian and Tony Dungy.

Fact:  Incognito was kicked off the University of Nebraska team.

Fact:  Incognito was kicked off the University of Oregon team.

Fact:  Incognito was kicked off the St. Louis Rams team.  

AlfredHunter
AlfredHunter

@GrizzlyStats @Observerofbs As I understand it, the coaches did not "take out their frustrations" by encouraging other players to bully him. You are accusing them of things they did not do. 

It is not at all clear that the locker room atmosphere was "poisonous". The other players seem to get along well with one another and with Incognito. The issue was that the tender Martin, failing publicly for the first time in his life, being demoted, was unhappy being in such a demanding environment and found a way he could make more money than he would ever make as a failing Tackle by maligning his teammates and suing the Dolphins. This is not a stupid choice but it is not an admirable one either. 

Tom52
Tom52

@mattdolloff @Mech so Incognito gets along with every other player on the Dolphins and Martin is known as a loner but the problem is with Incognito? I think you need a dose of common sense.

CamNY
CamNY

@Observerofbs First of all. its clear you don't know s**t so technically your the dumb one. a football player is not a warrior. if you look at the facts presented to incognito who has a history of bad behavior versus martin who hasn't had a problem until now, its plausible to think incognito maybe more at fault here at least in my opinion. you don't know him so it would be impossible to assume he didn't want to play in the first place. for the benefit of everyone, do us all a favor and think before you speak. 


P.S. your a F**kin idiot