Posted November 07, 2013

Charles Barkley on Amar’e Stoudemire: ‘He lost his talent’

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Hall of Famer Charles Barkley said Knicks forward Amar'e Stoudemire is in "serious trouble." (Jesse D. Garrabrant/Getty Images)

Hall of Famer Charles Barkley said Knicks forward Amar’e Stoudemire is in “serious trouble.” (Jesse D. Garrabrant/Getty Images)

Basketball Hall of Famer and television analyst Charles Barkley gave a bleak outlook for Amar’e Stoudemire, saying the New York Knicks forward “has lost his talent, and he is in serious trouble.”

The comments were made this week during an ESPN New York radio interview, a day after the Knicks lost at home to the Charlotte Bobcats. Barkley’s interview came on the same day that New York — now 1-3 — learned that All-Star center Tyson Chandler would miss four to six weeks with a small, nondisplaced fracture of his right fibula suffered in the loss to Charlotte.

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Barkley echoed the widely held belief that it may be the end of the road in the NBA for the former All-Star forward:

“You all in trouble with Amar’e. I like Amar’e as a person, but I don’t see him doing anything in the NBA, to be honest with you. I think he has lost his skill. He lost his talent…He played the game on talent when he was younger. He played the game 100 percent on talent. And now he has lost his talent and he is in serious trouble.”

Stoudemire finished with just two points, three rebounds and five turnovers in 11 minutes of play on Tuesday against the Bobcats. In his season debut on Halloween, a one-point road loss to the Bulls, Stoudemire had five points, one rebound, three turnovers and four fouls in 10 minutes.

Head coach Mike Woodson had said throughout the summer – when Stoudemire underwent another knee surgery – that the forward would be kept on a strict limit of 15 minutes per game and would likely share back-to-back games with fellow veteran forward Kenyon Martin.

The 2003 Rookie of the Year, Stoudemire, who will turn 31 next week, signed a five-year, $99.7 million deal with the Knicks in 2010 as a free agent. The six-time All-Star has been a shell of his former self, beginning with his return from microfracture knee surgery in October 2005 that caused him to miss all but three games that season. More recently, he has played just 76 games over the past two seasons.

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34 comments
NedNifty
NedNifty

Maybe Stoudemire can do straight to gay adult videos. There is plenty of money to be made with someone with his good looks.

MattDyer
MattDyer

Plain and simple.... Nash made him look way better than he actually was!

GaryGuillermo
GaryGuillermo

I thought they were FOOLS to give him that big contract.  It was like they couldn't get anyone else so they were gonna start with him.  Now they are stuck with him. 
Reminds me of another NY team that is paying another "former" star that is a shadow of what he used to be.

Bucky182
Bucky182

Has anyone looked into the Monstars? This has Space Jam conspiracy written all over it.

ezwriter69
ezwriter69

He didn't lose his talent, Charles, it was surgically removed. C'mon, he had his FIRST microfracture surgery at age 24. How many major procedures since then. I think he continued at a remarkably high level for way longer than anyone had a right to expect. Rather than condemning him, praise him for persevering and continuing to play at a high level with the worst surgical legs maybe in the history of the sport. He is a pioneer, and should be respected for that. How would Chuck have played after a microfracture surgery, carrying an extra fifty pounds, and now he's the critic of preparation and professionalism? Bullbleep. Remarkable that Stoudemire can even walk.

TeeHolmes
TeeHolmes

You also must have the desire to play hard even if your talent diminishes after suffering multiple injuries as A'Mare has had of late. Perhaps that's his issue, desire!

Tory
Tory

I believe athleticism is the word he was looking for. It would make a lot more sense but Charles has a hard time saying that word, so I think he just picked an easier word to substitute.  Amare's offense was based of his athleticism, his ability to jump over and quickness to run around bigger Centers.

bofureturn
bofureturn

the tragic thing is that he never really reached his full potential do to various injuries. he had blake griffin and shawn kemp's athleticism when he came into the league and never was as explosive after his first major knee surgery. he will never stay healthy as long as he plays basketball. like another guy said in the comment section stoudemire might be able to salvage his career if he accepts being a role player and goes the Antonio Mcdyess route.

Udaho
Udaho

It's a shame it's going up this way for him. It reminds me of Antonio McDyess, a strong athletic forward also blessed with explosive leaping ability, who got hurt while in his prime, which resulted in season ending surgery. Also aggravating the knee injury multiple times after additional surgeries.  He had to alter his game to a more all-around style of play, in a 6th man role. Less dunking, more jumpshots, still solid rebound numbers, so still being able putting up respectable numbers. Hopefully Amar'e can get his mind straight, accept that he's no longer the athletic, swiftly moving Forward, but just a contributing one. 

WillJohnson
WillJohnson

I like Charles but to say Amare was good only because of natural ability is BS.  His first year in New York he added a deadly mid-range game that made him a legit MVP early on before Melo came.  He's always been in prime condition (unlike Chuck) which shows determination and work ethic.  You know what also shows work ethic and determination?  Coming back from every injury under the sun, from a torn retna to multiple blown knees.  Chemistry issues and a million injuries have deralied what was a borderline HOF career.  

Daniel R
Daniel R

I got news, too; This just in - NBA Legend Charles Barkley to "STAY RETIRED!" *gasps can be heard as the shockwave hits the crowd* - But seriously, We sort of already knew Amar'e is done. I got a buddy who tried to argue Amar'e will be fine once he stops doin those midair jump passes and cuts down the turnovers.... but nah, Amar'e is done. a wrap. finished. "THE MILKS GONE BAD!"

Jell
Jell

It's Dolan's fault. No insurance company would insure Amare's contract with the Knicks because of his microfracture knee surgery when he was with the Suns but Dolan signed him anyway. Amare had one good year with the Knicks he has been a bust the last three years. He is making 21 million this year. He is not going to retire the money is too good.

JamesMichaelMulrey
JamesMichaelMulrey

I dont know why people say he has skill its just his knees.  Jordan at 50 could produce those numbers in 3 min of work for a 10th of the money as a 50 year old.  Barkley is correct Stoudemire has lost his physical gifts and in doing so lost his game he will never get it back.  Its what happens to all one trick ponies.  

DSM
DSM

I wonder how Barkley would evaluate a player today who emulated Barkley--"Great talent, but a poor leader who does not make his teammates better because he dribbles too much.  Could play good defense, but doesn't bother. If he had learned work ethic from Moses Malone when they were teammates, he would have been an alltime top 10 player. No wonder he only made one deep playoff run."

JoeGunter
JoeGunter

People do not lose talent; they lose skill. Barkley's choice of words is a bit cruel, but then he's never exactly been a wordsmith.

I suspect he simply does not like Stoudemire, and he was trying to say as much.

I love Charles Barkely, but this is not worthy of print space.




GOSFIELD
GOSFIELD

If a guy can get to age 30 in the NBA in a fairly healthy condition then he can generally play healthy for 3 - 5 years but if he has been injury prone before that, the dirty 30's will kill him!

OK
OK

Barkley's correct. Again.

Amar’e Stoudemire was Blake Griffin before Blake Griffin. All leap. No fundamentals.

Then Stoudemire's knees went to hell and he's S-O-L. He has no fundamental game. He cannot shoot from the outside. He has no low-post game. He does not rebound.

Blake Griffin'll be next.

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

His problem is, like Charles says, he was a talent player - not a skill player.  His game didn't age well because when you lose your athleticism, you dont have any go-to moves or crafty mental advantages. 

AaronDunckel
AaronDunckel

Injury after Injury will do that to an aging man

NegotiatorCM
NegotiatorCM

It's his knees. They are so bad that he can't exploit his gifts. Even if he was highly skilled as Charles infers, he would struggle to produce.

M20
M20

He did have that brilliant first half season with the Knicks when he was completely dominant. Then the Knicks traded for Melo and traded away their floor spacers, marginalizing Amare, and then he got hurt again, and that was that...

Plainview
Plainview

when you rely on talent, when you rely on speed, you don't age well.  Amare didn't. 

DBLETAP
DBLETAP

A lot of people in Phoenix were howling when the Suns let him walk.  Seems the Suns were not so dumb, after all.  Sucks for him, as he seems like a good guy.

Crapahoola
Crapahoola

@ezwriter69 Pioneer?  Like a covered-wagon pioneer?  Like a pitchfork wieldin' gold searchin' kind of pioneer?  That would be the ONLY type of pioneer Amar'e would be.

ezwriter69
ezwriter69

Correction, his first microfracture surgery (he's had it on both knees, btw) was at age 22, not age 24. Add in that he didn't play basketball, at all, until age 14, he was always an athlete more than a skilled player.

The Round Mound of Self Reknown is full of it on this one.

amick44
amick44

Good example with McDyess. He did alter his game pretty effectively as a mid range shooter and position rebounder. We'll see with Amare.  

amick44
amick44

Knicks were idiots to give him that contract. Phoenix knew which is why they let him go. Similar in baseball with St Louis letting Pujols walk. 

dseton
dseton

@JoeGunter 

I actually disagree.  I think it's the opposite.  To me talent is what you have when you're young;  when you're faster, stronger, and beat people because you're quicker off the dribble, can jump higher or just physically dominate your opponent.  Your skill is what you develop when you work on your game, find a veteran to help you work on your post game, or whatever.  When you get older, and your physical talent starts to fade, its the skills you've been working on during your career on that extend that career, and often seem to lead the great players to re-invent their game when they don't play the same way at 35 that they did at 25 but they're still relevant.

Tom52
Tom52

@JoeGunter can't handle the truth from an expert huh? I guess you should be an analyst on TV LOL

SukeMadiq
SukeMadiq

@JoeGunter 

He never had many skills, he just had his natural physical gits, his talent.

amick44
amick44

As Charles said, it already has.

WillJohnson
WillJohnson

@OK You're flat out wrong.  Amare had a very fundamentally sound, three attack stance that included a money mid range jumper.  Oh, and I've news for you, most people's games would go to hell if they had three knee and two back procedures.  His body is shot.  Plain and simple.  If you want other "fundamentally sound" examples I suggest you look at Hakeem with the Raptors and Chuck with the Rockets. 

dt
dt

@DBLETAP The Suns have sucked every year since