Posted August 28, 2013

Ex-OSU WR Jake Stoneburner rips Johnny Manziel suspension

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Johnny Manziel's suspension isn't sitting too well with former Ohio State WR Jake Stoneburner. (Scott Halleran/Getty Images)

Johnny Manziel’s suspension isn’t sitting too well with ex-Ohio State WR Jake Stoneburner. (Scott Halleran/Getty Images)

When word was received that Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel was suspended for only a half for Texas A&M’s season opening game against Rice on Saturday, it was only a matter of time before former athletes from other schools started to weigh in.

Last Wednesday night, former Ohio State wide receiver Jake Stoneburner let his feelings be known about Manziel’s suspension via social media.

“Lol manziel gets a half & My teammates, best friends, & one of the best leaders I have ever met get fired and losses (sic) multiple games,” Stoneburner tweeted.

STAPLES: NCAA was better off letting Manziel play than enforcing obscure rule

Remember, the NCAA hit Ohio State with a one-year bowl ban and additional penalties for violations that started with eight players taking a total of $14,000 in cash and tattoos in exchange for jerseys, rings and other Buckeyes memorabilia.

Former head coach Jim Tressel knew about the violations but kept quiet, and he was ultimately fired.  The 2012 Buckeyes went 12-0 and sat at home for the bowl season.


89 comments
Mark136
Mark136

Each player gets a W2 at season end for all the financial benefits received from their university.                        Problem solved !

John_backjudge
John_backjudge

As a booster I do know what it was all about. The additional suspension was ADDED ON to the so called illegal sales of items supposedly their own. You need to go back to your corner and suck on your thumb. Read my original statement again because I DID SAY THEY WERE SEPARATE and placed well after the "Tattoo" scam. Go back to grade school and work harder on reading comprehension !!!!!

Ron37
Ron37

Ok fast backwards...Few people probably ever saw Case Keenan at U of H Cougars. It was he and Kevin Sumlins crew that devised that........ only seconds ... just a few...before the next play scheme that took college offense to the highest level. Now for a million bucks? What did Keenan do before almost every play? Don't know do you? I do but don't know what it means in play making hand gestures lingo. He would raise both hands and rubb thumbs and index fingers together... And I seriously think it had anything to do with money. But it did mean something to the other 10 players on his offense...and that is all! Yeah the kid has done some kid stuff but if he played for a no name school who would say a word. The editors would laugh them out of the room at such a ridiculous story...but Johnny ( under a microscope Manziel) . Give the kid a break.

ShifterKart
ShifterKart

Everyone says pay the athletes because they make the NCAA & schools money. They get free everything. food etc etc. The scholarship players get schooling paid for. Ok give them a few hundred extra. No problem with that. 

The schools and the leaders provide everything. Buildings, stadiums, dorms etc etc etc. they are nothing without the schools and coaches to train them etc. I'm not siding with the pay them side. Just give teh scholarship ones a few spending dollars and that's it, at most.

JKSCSU
JKSCSU

If they just pay Athelete's already they would not have to worry about the crap!   Pay the damn kids and stop keeping all the money for yourself.

VictorRossi
VictorRossi

Dave

 Do you always write things that you have no facts to back up?  The Board of Trustees knew Sandusky had a problem for TWELVE YEARS and did NOTHING. JoePA followed procedures and still got thrown under the bus by the Free Mason Mafia that runs Penn Stat,e and has run the University for years. Worked there for ten years and lived in State College for twenty and can backup what I write, unlike you.

6marK6
6marK6

It is impossible to have an intelligent discourse on this matter. The Manziel fans will blindly support him and scream he did nothing wrong. They are much like his parents. I have no idea why so many people are questioning this kid's character. Wait, what character?

ezwriter69
ezwriter69

Evidence of those lofty OSU academic standards... 

MarkBlackford
MarkBlackford

They had evidence. They had a tape of Manziel saying he would not participate in other signings if word got out and testimony from a witness. They CHOSE not to pursue it. No Lawyer, no wealthy family, No SEC, there is evidence.

MarkBlackford
MarkBlackford

What the NCAA said with the Manziel wrist slap is if your family has money, you can afford an attorney and you play in the precious SEC. RULES DO NOT APPLY TO YOU. I wish Ohio State would sue the NCAA  to at least get the revenues they lost and oficial wins back that were vacated. NO GOVERNING BODY CAN HAVE 2 SETS OF RULES.

Cliff1
Cliff1

What is it? If he was innocent then the NCAA penalty is stupid, for what? suspicion? It makes no sense. The as Stoneburner points out, if he is guilty, then its a similar offense to Ohio State, and the penalty is a travesty. 


It has to be one way or the other, the final and obvious observation is that the NCAA is a joke who don't have a clue.

DerekSugimura
DerekSugimura

The Ohio State players got busted because the NCAA had evidence that they'd committed violations of NCAA rules.  Tressel got fired because the NCAA had evidence that he covered up his players' offenses.  

Johnny Manziel got a slap on the wrist because the NCAA had no evidence of any kind that he committed any violation.

Robert96
Robert96

Manziel's family is very, very well off (millionaires). He does not need any additional cash. He drives a high end Mercedes. He does not need a scholarship to attend college. He did not sell autographs nor did he need to. He has no tats, but he could pay for them if he wanted them. He will be a millionaire whether he plays pro ball or not....................there is not any comparison to the situation or "crimes" the morons from Ohio State did.

EverettLivingston
EverettLivingston

People comment on how players are not compensated for playing. This is a wrong assumption. Players are given stipends for living expenses that includes a little spending money. The fact that they have to learn to budget their money like most college students is their problem. The NCAA and their member schools provide at great expense top notch coaching, training, dietary guidance and an education to student/athletes who often would not have this opportunity. Most important to a lot of the players is the exposure to the NFL where millions of dollars is their real end goal. When a first round draft choice signs a huge contract does he in turn write a check to at least reimburse the university? So a few years of actually living like a college student isn't too much to expect.

KennethB.Jacobs
KennethB.Jacobs

College sports is big business. There's a lot of money floating around. More than these kids, you and me have ever seen. The educational institutions via the NCAA rake in the coins. The kids get to eat better than they would at home and if they have any motivation, they get to learn more than they would at home - but motivation vis-a-vis education is not the reason they are where they are. They are where they are because of their physical prowess - nothing more. It is this physical prowess that brings delight and "honor' -  (what is that?) to the good ole alma mater and shekels into the good ole alma mater's coffers and that's what it's all about. If the kid learns something in the process that is icing on the cake!

Action
Action

There are a lot of differences here.  The cover up at OSU was worse than the crime.  Tressel lied about what he did and didn't know.  TAMU didn't lie about anything.  Manziel spoke to the NCAA, and TAMU was on the up and up the entire time.  If Manziel lied, that is between him and the NCAA.  The NCAA has cleared Manziel to play, so TAMU will suit him up.

ezwriter69
ezwriter69

@MarkBlackford All hearsay, he said she said, totally different from the hard evidence they had on OSU. C'mon, put the partisanship aside and buy a bleeping clue, the two situations are not remotely comparable.

chatta
chatta

@MarkBlackford They had evidence in the Ohio St case, none on Manziel. Let that sink in for just a second.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

@DerekSugimura Signing hundreds of autographs in two different cities for two different dealers is evidence. And the NCAA isn't a court of law. You play at the privilege of your school and the NCAA. They don't need a smoking gun to suspend you. They just need to KNOW about a situation that CLEARLY lends itself to the only conclusion that makes sense. Manziel autographed hundreds of pictures and helmets for memorabilia dealers for money. There is only one other explanation. He did it for free. No one believes that. Not even you.

Frank46
Frank46

@DerekSugimura  

Well I hope your on my jury trial when the state only has circumstantial evidence.  On several different occasions Johnny Boy sat in brokers hotel rooms and signed hundreds if not thousands of memorabilia.

Johnny Boy, got off because he lied, and OSU came clean.  They had evidence that there was something going on, OSU came clean. Screw Johnny Boy. This will follow him for years and hurt his brand.

Derek, you know in you little heart that Johnny Manzziel got away with it.  Thought A&M was lnown for their honor. Guess that is just in the brochures.


atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

@Robert96 What? Why would he spend hours signing that stuff? Why? In addition to that, everything you wrote is irrelevant. So what if he drives a bens and doesn't need a scholarship. you think he'll play in the NFL for free? After all his family is rich and he doesn't need the money. Besides that, how do you know, that his parents only pay for his school and car, and don't give him any spending money? Also, the fact that referred to the OSU violations as crimes is very suspicious to me. Sounds like you're bothered by who is involved, rather than the situation.

papajim
papajim

@Robert96 I understand your misconception and empathize with it.  However, you must understand that the investigation into Ohio State took many times longer than the investigation into Mr. Football and any SEC violations by all SEC teams.  I am not convicting him, but I will throw stones at both the NCAA and the SEC.  Both have ridiculous backgrounds in horrible offenses.  I lived in SEC country for over a decade and saw the abuse of power wielded by the SEC in both the recruitment and how the NCAA is handled by the SEC.  More power to you, if you can get the NCAA to ignore your violations, like it or not, you are top of the rung.  As for me, I prefer the scholastic averages and the competitive ability of the Big 10 over the SEC.  Before you jump overboard with how great the SEC's record is over the Big 10, check the facts, the Big 10 holds a substantial lead.

JamesJones
JamesJones

@Robert96 Your the MORON for your idiotic post. A violation, is a violation.Period! So the little rich kids' parents have deep pockets, that makes it ok?? Just more BS from the NCAA. They supposedly spent six hours with your punk rich boy, so what was said?? Had to determine the size of the check amount. Stupid is, as stupid does.

Cliff1
Cliff1

@Robert96 


Oh really, you must know a lot about morons because you have taken on their habits.The total value for ALL the players in the Tattoo gate was $14,000 and it was for memorabilia that THEY OWNED. 

If Johnny sold his signature, which is also a very identifiable offense under NCAA rules, and the value his "personal assistant established was about $18,000, if true. Then your gibberish is about as accurate as the NCAA.

Take a seat on the Bozo Bench with the rest of the morons.



DennisStanley
DennisStanley

@Robert96 I think that is why he got off, because his family would cover for him. An average athlete can't say, "oh that money came from my parents". You're only fooling yourself if you think he didn't take cash. Assuming 5 seconds per autograph, 4400 autographs in January alone, that's six hours of signing for brokers for free, and he won't sign for a kid after a game? Be realistic here. Oh, and there was no money trail with OSU players either, the NCAA doesn't need proof, they could have suspended Manziel, but they chose not to for reasons beyond us. 


John_backjudge
John_backjudge

@Action This is a pathetic response. Before you speak about Lying, know the facts about the OSU situation. Tressel was advised not to speak from his backstabbing lawyer, an OSU grad himself. He never said he did not know. I could assume T A&M could be lying and know more than they let on, but until all the facts come out, I won't. They are not squeaky clean, however. They have other suspensions at the "Honor University".

No one has answered WHY did the NCAA allow the OSU accused players to play in the Sugar Bowl? Why was OSU there in the first place IF the University was accused in a cover up? WHY? I'll tell you why. OSU generates more $$$ from a bowl game(s) for the NCAA. Therefore the ever so gracious NCAA let the Bucks serve the suspension the following year and the assumed 2 game suspension turned into an 8 game suspension. 

The NCAA lies too. They are money hungry pigs who should be disbanded!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Frank46
Frank46

@Action  

Geez I just HATE STUPID.  Why do you think A&M hired Cam's attorneys? Just so the truth could come out. Why are the brokers refusing to cooperate if there is nothing to hide.  

The difference is OSU came clean, A&M and Johnny hired lawyers.  Not much honor in that is there Aggies. 

The SEC once again shows what kind of character it has. Shame on u Aggies, this is exactly how the longhorns would have responded, and you hated them for it. Now u have become them.

 

JamesJones
JamesJones

@Action And you know all of this how?? Who says TAMU didn't know?? TAMU???

MarkBlackford
MarkBlackford

@chatta @MarkBlackfordThey had evidence. They had a tape of Manziel saying he would not participate in other signings if word got out and testimony from a witness. They CHOSE not to pursue it. No Lawyer, no wealthy family, No SEC, there is evidence. If there was NO evidence there would be NO suspension. Let that sink in for a moment.

John_backjudge
John_backjudge

@InterestingMan @DerekSugimura You must be kidding. The NCAA Gods F--ked OSU in the nth degree. The NCAA gurus knew before the Sugar Bowl OSU vs Arkansas and allowed them to play! WHY? because the NCAA makes a killing on OSU bowl games and the NCAA cut in this Bowl was millions. NCAA is a lowlife parasite.

Robert96
Robert96

@atthebarbershop @Robert96 Well, the reason could be (rumored here in Texas) that he did sign the stuff for benefits........... but did it in a way that cannot be traced and there will in fact be benefits at some point, but the difference here is he did it benevolently for some of the guys on the team that are from far less fortunate circumstances. They will get some help along the line.  Never the less, even with good motives, I admit,  it is against the rules of the NCAA. Given his probable motives and my unfavorable opinion of the NCAA, I pray he totally gets away with it...........even though I am a UTA grad and have no love of A&M.! 

Sorry about the use of the word "crime".........I meant that metaphorically, not actually.

ghall5517
ghall5517

@papajim @Robert96 Both situations are stupid rules.  Sorry for the OSU players, but the real violation was that OSU personnel were involved in a coverup.  That violates 'the big one" in terms of NCAA rules = "Lack of Institutional Control."  I agree with you and Texas A&M Chancellor John Sharp.  Many schools have Olympic Athletes on campus who can do this sort of thing all they want.  Why not football?  Manziel is the wrong poster child for it, but there are many football players who are still poor after you've met their educational needs.  Time for the rules that snared the OSU guys to go.  And before you have a stroke....A&M did not need to cover anything up because there was no evidence.  As for SEC-B10, the 7 consecutive MNC's speak for themselves.  Enjoy the season.

Frank46
Frank46

@papajim @Robert96  

I wonder if your an aggie.  Aggies are suppose to live by some honor code, or is that just for show.  Talk about being on the top rung. This will hurt Johnny Boy's Brand. Ask LeQueen how much money he lost out on because of his decision.  

Johnny Boy won't make any where near the money he could from endorsements for years to come. So much for the top rung.

Only the honorless and the SEC believers will be behind him. Oh maybe that is the same thing.

Robert96
Robert96

@Cliff1 @Robert96  

As you said Cliff, "if"............and "if" he did sell them, he is a very foolish young man. So far his coach and the NCAA do not think so and his personal finances indicate that there is no need to.............we will see if anything else comes out, but for now the boy is not guilty of breaking the NCAA rules.............lets not jump to unfounded conclusions.

John_backjudge
John_backjudge

@Cliff1 @Robert96 SHOW ME ONE UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE THAT HAS A FOOTBALL PROGRAM WITH NO PLAYERS WITH TATTOOS UP AND DOWN THEIR BODIES. My puny7 inch circular tattoo cost me $300.00. Major colleges have players with large tattoos up and down their bodies. Where did they get this money? Time for a stipend that is not too little nor too big. Otherwise the NCAA better hire more people to investigate, but then that may cost them a larger take!! 


chatta
chatta

@Cliff1 @Robert96 You are correct cliff, if true then I agree with you. But there is no evidence.

chatta
chatta

@DennisStanley @Robert96 There is no evidence of the 4400 items, just a number that an unnamed source told a reporter for espn supposedly. But agree that ncaa is only in it for the money.

chatta
chatta

@Frank46 @Action OSU didn't come clean. They covered it up till the ncaa was notified by the authorities criminal investigation on the shop owner. Good story though.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

@drm166 @chatta @MarkBlackford Yeah, if the NCAA only suspended him for a half a game, then they must not have had evidence. Let that sink in for a moment.

Hey @MarkBlackford WHY did they/HOW can they suspend him at all if they had no evidence? Why isn't Manziel fighting to restore his good name? If you didn't do anything wrong, would you except ANY suspension? 

ghall5517
ghall5517

@drm166 @chatta @MarkBlackford Different rule.  It's never been enforced before.  It says he SHOULD have known.  There never has been a smoking gun here.  They had OSU cold...and confessions.  We do still have rule of law...even in the NCAA, except of course for the IRS.


John_backjudge
John_backjudge

@ghall5517 @DennisStanley You are nothing more than an Aggie fan that gravitates to whatever sounds good favoring A&M and Johnny Darling. Sadly when they do decide Johnny and A&M is at fault, only A&M will pay the price while Johnny Darling is no longer in school. Don't tell me some Texas lawyer says what he may have said, because some Ohio Lawyers disputed OSU graduate lawyer Cisco for smearing the news worse than it was AND TOLD Tressel to remain oblivious; that it was all players' at fault. After all one of these lawyers represented an Ohioan baseball pitcher, Andy Oliver, who went to Oklahoma State and was suspended by the NCAA. This lawyer went to court and defeated the NCAA and Andy was acquitted. He then chose to leave for the pros. But hey, if you want to show how crooked the NCAA is, CHALLENGE them !!!!!

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

@ghall5517 @DennisStanley Go have a bon fire. We're not talking about a court of law. College sports is a privilege. The standard isn;t as high as a court. They don't need people to come forward. Manziel sat in a hotel room in two different cities and signed hundreds of photos and helmuts. Some of those items later turned up at shows, where they were sold. Do you at least agree on that? Before he did this, his assistant is on record saying Manziel would no longer sign for free. Just because you pull for A&M doesn't mean you have to pretend he didn't do anything wrong by hiding behind a standard used only in the courtroom.

ghall5517
ghall5517

@DennisStanley Should have said, "unnamed source."  It's early....getting ready to leave for Kyle Field.  I'm done on this.. from now on it's about football.


ghall5517
ghall5517

@DennisStanley I don't believe the NCAA either.  And if they had taken down the Heisman winner over what is universally accepted as a bad rule, they'd have been gone by the next time the major conferences met...at least for football.  "Reportedly?"  This is starting to sound like and ESPN story.  Did that come from an "unnamed story."  If no one is "willing to come forward," why was this a story.  I can play too..."I heard that A&M stepped in to keep brokers away from Johnny and they got angry."  Why might that not be true.  My good friend,  a UTx lawyers admits..."they had nowhere near enough."

DennisStanley
DennisStanley

Who knows what's true anymore. Reportedly, there is an obscure law, that A&M was threatening anyone coming forward with admitting to paying Manziel, that allows for prosecution of those who pay amateurs and cause undue harm on a state university. That would be enough to make me keep my mouth shut. A&M should have been more forthcoming if this is true, but who knows anymore... After the Newton scandal, I don't believe in the NCAA top brass anymore.