Posted August 22, 2013

Pete Rose: How can Ichiro catch my hits record?

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Pete Rose discounted Ichiro's career hits in Japan as they apply to the all0time hit record. (Peter Kramer/NBC)

Pete Rose discounted Ichiro’s career hits in Japan as they apply to the all-time hit record. (Peter Kramer/NBC)

All-time MLB hits leader Pete Rose dismissed New York Yankees outfielder Ichiro Suzuki’s hit total in Japan as it applies to MLB records, telling USA Today’s Bob Nightengale that it would be virtually impossible for Suzuki to catch him on the all-time hits list.

Suzuki collected his 4,000th hit on Wednesday, becoming the first player to reach the mark between playing in the major leagues in both Japan and the United States.

But Rose is only counting the 2,722 that Suzuki has in the U.S.

“He’s still 600 hits away from catching Derek Jeter,” Rose told USA Today. Jeter has 3,308 career hits. “So how can he catch me?”

Rose made it clear that he didn’t want to discount what Suzuki had done in Japan, and he said that he viewed Suzuki as one of the greatest hitters of all-time. But he said that for record-keeping purposes should be viewed differently. He said that if Suzuki’s standard applied to him, then he should get credit for his 427 career minor-league hits.

“I don’t want to take anything away from him,” Rose said, “but does anybody remember making a big deal when Henry Aaron had 755 homers and [Japanese slugger] Sadaharu Oh passed him?

“Are we now supposed to count Warren Moon’s passing yards in the Canadian Football League to his NFL career stats?

“When you compare yourself to me, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker and Nap Lajoie, we all did it in the states.”


49 comments
WoodBob
WoodBob

I always learn something from Pete . . . didn't realize Montreal was in "the states"

StevanFagan
StevanFagan

its just a matter of time before we find out Ichiro Suzuki doped as well. so what does it matter 

Squatter
Squatter

How many infielders and umpires did Rose punch in the minor leagues?

Anthony t
Anthony t

Th guy has no class, in baseball he was part of the con culture, and more dangerous to baseball then the druggie we have today, Rose has the same mentality as the black sox scandal of 1920, he bet on baseball you fools, he had a ballplayer running for him to place bets while he was managing out of the dugout. The man should be barred from entering a Major League for life.What nerve to even doubt the record of one of the best hitters in baseball Ichiro Suzuki.

johnnycolon1966
johnnycolon1966

Bring back Pete Rose back immediately Mr. Selig! You and your present Clowns have done wayyyyyyyyyyy more damage to the game than Charlie Hustle ever did.

LtCol37
LtCol37

Although technically he might be right he could have been more gracious in his reply. Had Ichiro started his career in MLB he may very well have eventually passed Rose. We'll never know. What we do know is that Ichiro has WAY WAY WAY more class than Pete ever did or will.

chupa cabre
chupa cabre

nope.you can't count the japanese hits.unless japanese baseball is affiliated with MLB in america.dating back to when rose was playing.

GT500456
GT500456

If MLB would put Pud Selig's face on game balls, Pete Rose would probably bat .350 next season.

Even if they do count Ichiro's Japanese hits, he still won't be around long enough to catch Rose.   Ichiro's production is declining rapidly.

.4
.4

Hey Pete, how many of those hits were with a corked bat?

Jim86
Jim86

Pete Rose is an insecure jerk, who can't lay a finger on Ichiro when it comes to class. Of course, no one is saying Ichiro is closing in on the "MLB" hits record. But what he has accomplished, both in Japan and the U.S. is reason to talk about him in the same breath as some of the greatest hitters of all time in "baseball." Nice job Rose, of making Ichiro's accomplishment all about YOU. I hope you rot in card show hell!

craig1
craig1

Well said Pete Rose.

vostiph
vostiph

I don't believe Ichiro is saying he is at 4000 hits, that's just the sportswriters. If he gets to 3000, which would take 2+ years, that would be a pretty amazing accomplishment

utiger
utiger

Funny that Rose compares himself to those players, he isn't in their league.  Of the top 5 all time hit leaders he has about 2000 more plate appearances than his closest competitor.  Rose was a compiler who played a long time.  There's a reason you never hear his name as one of the greatest hitters...he wasn't.

He is however, very insecure about his place in the game.  Who was saying Ichiro would be given the MLB record counting Japanese hits?

Shawnrw
Shawnrw

First I would say that there are some real scum bags out there to take out personal attacks on Rosé. That is just wrong and indicative of what is wrong with the world today. They should be ashamed. This is suppose to be about baseball. But you cannot count accomplishments from other leagues if the MLB is to have any creditability at all. Which it is already sorely lacking with the steroid use the last few years. Besides if they are gonna count marks from other leagues then my stats from my softball leagues should count too. That's how ridiculous this argument is.

eng e
eng e

"“I don’t want to take anything away from him,” Rose said", as he proceeded to take all his Japanese leagues from him.

DalePearl
DalePearl

Pete is right here. I think that this is being chummed up by MLB for several reasons 1) MLB publicity to continue growing their Japanese baseball relations 2) It is a slow baseball season as far as milestones go 3) Bug Selig hates Pete Rose and has a personal vendetta against him and will go to any extreme to take away from the pluses that he brought to the game.

comeflywithme23
comeflywithme23

no one is breaking that record i hate pete rose but put this man in the hall

Gary C1
Gary C1

Get this guy in the HALL whats going on now in baseball is a dam shame compared to what he did.

brians356
brians356

Ichiro can't have it both ways: Rookie of the Year when he arrived here, yet now gets to count all the hits he rang up in Japan? Uh, ... I don't think so. If he had declined the ROTY award, saying he'd like to pick up where he left off in Japan stat wise, not as a "rookie", then we could have a different conversation ... and I would still say the career hits total is and always has been a Major League Baseball stat. Period.

Mark63
Mark63

If Ichiro's hits in Japan count for MLB stats, then Sadaharu Oh's 868 home runs would qualify him as the top of the list in career home runs.  What's the difference?  Not taking anything away from Ichiro, as he is truly a great hitter, but you need to compare apples to apples.  If the Japanese league is on par with MLB, why is it that the typical American ballplayer who goes over there is usually washed up in the U.S.?  There are exceptions to the rule, but you never see an MLB player in his prime going to Japan.

The_Sports_Dude
The_Sports_Dude

I don't disagree with Rose, but that's probably something he shouldn't have said himself.  Most people already share his thoughts, but he just comes across as a classless, attention-seeking jerk.  Ichiro will never catch Rose, but he's lapped him in class and dignity.

podjoe
podjoe

just look at this picture of him ------he has rat like features----the only thing missing is whiskers and buck teeth

podjoe
podjoe

Who cares what this rodent has to say.  He's a creep whose records should be erased. Ichiro is a class act and a credit to all baseball everywhere. People who say Ichiro shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Creep Rose are absolutely right. Rose is a disgrace to baseball and I hope he never lives to get in the hall of fame. 

TM2
TM2

Totally valid argument, Mr. Rose.

Michael_Alburn
Michael_Alburn

Japanese players coming to MLB are eligible for rookie of the year. You can't be a rookie who has 1278 hits to begin with.

BHCHUCK
BHCHUCK

Totally agree. Japanese league is about equal triple A in the states

John NoLastName
John NoLastName

Although it's refreshing that for once Rose said something that's actually true and not just more pitiful, self-serving attempts at damage control 20 years too late, it's completely irrelevant. MLB isn't planning to combine the record book with the Japanese leagues. So what's his point? Let it go, Pete. It's just sports writers trying to grub headlines anywhere they can.

EasyGoer
EasyGoer

Rose was annoying as a player (though I greatly admired how he played), and he's even more annoying now. It's obvious he didn't think much about the record being broken a few years back but now he is. I agree that the MLB hits record is the real record but there's no need to disparage someone. Go away, please. You are seriously irrelevant.

N
N

This is hilarious, and is typical Pete Rose. While Ichiro's hits in Japan obviously don't count towards a MLB record and total, about 5-6 years ago Pete Rose did an interview where they asked him about Ichiro challenging his all time hits record and Pete Rose responded, "He will never come close. You can even count his hits in Japan if you want to."

Mark112
Mark112

Stop talking Pete, even if what you say has a scintilla of truth to it. We are sick to death of you.

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

One thing is true about Ichiro if he played in the majors from day one he would be around 36 / 37 hundred hits easily, because from day one Ichiro hit the ground running by tearing MLB a new corn shoot.

I do not know why anyone cares about MLB records anyways, the sport has never been fair or on a level playing field. Whether it was doctored baseballs, corked bats or drug fuelled players while never forgetting the most egregious crime of all, banning blacks from the game.  Imagine if Josh Gibson had played, babe who?, If you ask me the entire sport its self is a giant ****ASTERISKS**** The records are for those who want to keep burying their heads in the sand.

romevegas
romevegas

That's exactly right Pete.  Minor league ball is professional ball too.  Why not count those hits?  Japanese pitching is nothing compared to MLB pitching.  Japanese players think innings pitched is some sort of honor.  Coaches will leave pitchers in a lot longer than MLB coaches.  Doesn't compare and shouldn't count.

jake4585
jake4585

Rose was a great player that's for sure, he was also an arrogant one, still is apparently.

Sneeral
Sneeral

@Anthony t He's not denying Ihciro's greatness. He's correctly pointing out that he'll never get close to 4000 hits in the Major Leagues. And though Rose made a huge mistake betting on games, he doesn't in any way compare to the Black Sox who took money to lose a World Series.  Rose bet on his team winning.

Action
Action

@LtCol37 And Ichiro will be a first ballot Hall of Famer because of how he played in the US, and with consideration for his career in Japan.

MichaelWallis1
MichaelWallis1

@Gary C1, it;'s because he gambled on baseball and may have done the same to his Reds when he was the team manager. He may have profited from his own team losing games. 

MarkCalasade
MarkCalasade

@friendly--neighborhood--scrawler Babe who? Are you serious? Babe Ruth was the greatest player who ever lived; the only player of which I know who could have gone to the HOF as a pitcher or hitter. I get so tired of this argument, that Ruth's ability should be downgraded because he didn't play against those in the Negro Leagues. It's a travesty all races weren't in the game from the very start, but it wouldn't have mattered. Ruth would have crushed them just as he did the MLB white guys. Satchel Paige was astounding, but he also didn't face many of the greatest hitters, did he? Nope, and as amazing as Paige was, he wasn't any better than the top-flight MLB pitchers of the 1920s. See guys named Walberg, Faber, Alexander, Vance, Mays among others. Ruth crushed them and he did it without steroids and with a dead baseball. You put Ruth in today's game and he would make Bonds and every other great home-run hitter look near silly in comparison. The guy does not get the respect he deserves by some people.

Zekelars21
Zekelars21

@friendly--neighborhood--scrawler Seriously??? Not a legitimate argument. All players of their eras played against the same advantages/disadvantages. Maybe not fare to compare generations against one another.  Furthermore, you have no way to know how good (or not) Gibson would have been.  Also, the only reason Ruth's career stats have been passed by others is due the fact they had considerably more plate appearances.  Not to mention the almost 100 wins Ruth had as a pitcher.  

NotAnNCAAFan
NotAnNCAAFan

@Sneeral @Anthony t My understanding was he bet indiscriminately, both on his team and others, as far as winning/losing. The Dowd report indicates that no concrete evidence was discovered that he bet against the Reds, but the investigators said they believe he did.

SamuelB
SamuelB

@Sneeral @Anthony t Well said.  I'm a big Rose fan, but he did screw up by betting on baseball, even if it was on his own team.  But the injustice is that several PED morons will be enshrined in the HOF before Pete will be.  Pete, just admit your errors, provide an apology, and you're in the HOF the following year.

friendly--neighborhood--scrawler
friendly--neighborhood--scrawler

@MarkCalasade

"Are you serious? Babe Ruth was the greatest player who ever lived; the only player of which I know who could have gone to the HOF as a pitcher or hitter"

YOU  CAN   KEEP  TELLING   YOURSELF  THAT, MAYBE  IT WILL   COME   TRUE !!!!

PLEASE @MarkCalasade pull you head out of your butt and stop repeating the same nonsense you hear on TV and talk radio. The only reason they say outlandish things are to keep the dimwitted interested. Common sense time now  Babe's at the height of his career hit 60 home runs in 1927... are you still with me @MarkCalasade  just checking... now back to the lesson at hand.  Tell me in what sport players from the 1920's - 30's are better than players of the modern era... you see where i going.. Babe out homered entire teams, if a player had 5 home runs in a year he was good... That showed the lack of talent that babe was playing against.. to put things in prospective Babe would be a fat Derek Jeter same height and 30 pounds heavy and probably a low 200's hitting.. Babe never saw a 100 mile a hour fast ball, set up men, closer or specialty pitchers.  in Babe's era pitchers threw in the 80's and those were the good ones .. 

I hope you remember Jesse Owens? He was consider one of the greatest athletes ever Jesse was a better Athlete than anything babe could ever be.. Jesse Owen ran the 100 meters in 10.3 sec... do you know who runs the hundred meter in 10 seconds now... WOMEN 
 
Jess Owen's long jump in 1936 with 26 plus feet, do you know who jumps close 26 feet now in the long jump yes you guess it WOMEN !!!    In closing Babe may have been average to good maybe great but you will never know because a league without talent will make great players out of the very mediocre ones. One thing i am 100% sure of Babe and today's athlete is not even close. The real question would babe even get playing time in the majors or maybe just a career minor leaguer

HairyGuy
HairyGuy

@MarkCalasade @friendly--neighborhood--scrawler babe ruth was a fat cow, a pudgy man. he could no way compete in today's generation where black and hispanic athletes dominate. no way. and he really needed to lose some weight. even as a young man, he was a fat cow. moooo.

utiger
utiger

@friendly--neighborhood--scrawler @MarkCalasade 

Where's your evidence they were only throwing in the 80's?  By most accounts Walter Johnson was one of the hardest throwers ever.  Can't confirm or refute that, it's all based on opinion.  That argument is taking on water.