Posted August 07, 2013

TCU coach Gary Patterson slams LSU’s Les Miles over player discipline

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LSU running back Jeremy Hill rejoined his team after avoiding jail time. (Stacy Revere/Getty Images)

LSU running back Jeremy Hill rejoined his teammates at practice after avoiding jail time. (Stacy Revere/Getty Images)

LSU running back Jeremy Hill was reinstated to the team earlier this week by his teammates after a judge decided against sending him to jail for a probation violation.

The team’s leading rusher from last season was already on probation for a sex-related crime with a minor that occurred while he was in high school.

Hill sucker-punched a person outside of a Baton Rouge bar earlier this year and was charged with battery and received two more years of probation.

TCU coach Gary Patterson took a jab at LSU coach Les Miles’ discipline of Hill.  Miles said that Hill would face further punishment from coaches and that will be handled internally, leaving open the possibility that Hill could be forced to sit out some games.

Just a quick reminder, TCU plays LSU on Aug. 31.

“I’m sure if it was some opponent they’d beat by 100 points (the players) wouldn’t have a vote. It’s not my worry. I’ve got to play whoever they put on the field,” Patterson said to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

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TCU’s star defensive end Devonte Field is suspended for two games for violation of university and team policy.  Patterson said he won’t leave Fields’ two-game suspension up to a vote from his teammates.

“My whole team would vote Devonte (Fields) to be back on the team because they all want to win,” Patterson said. “That doesn’t teach life lessons.”


116 comments
RussHaasch
RussHaasch

There are two realities evident in this story.  One, probation violators don;t have to sweat going to jail.  Unless they murder someone, it rarely happens; they just get more probation.  Two, the whole concept of "player discipline" in college football is an absolute joke.  In truth, there is no meaningful discipline at all, which becomes obvious when a coach forfeits his discipline responsibility to his players.

Tigereye
Tigereye

I can't wait for kickoff!!!!!!!!!!

mystafugee
mystafugee

Patterson knows TCU can't beat LSU with or without Field so might as well try to win the whole 'moral' battle.  

mystafugee
mystafugee

So when is Gary Patterson eligible for sainthood? 

Bob60
Bob60

I find it unbelieveable that Gary Patterson, who basically runs a drug cartel masquerading as a football team, had the gall to criticize anyone on how to discipline players.  

Patterson's team is starting a QB that not only failed a drug test recently but also was recently arrested for drunk driving.  

Based on Patterson's own actions it's impossible to believe he's really concerned about Jeremy Hill.  It's more likely that Patterson is still sulking over getting runover last year in his team's first season in a BCS league.  

Hey Gary, your team isn't in the Mountain West anymore so quit acting like the big-boys should have to play your team with one arm tied behind their back.  

mystafugee
mystafugee

The problem with society in general is we too often equate success with good character when those things are totally separate.  Just because a person is a billionaire doesn't mean they're a good person or a bad person.  We don't really know unless we know them on a personal level.  You notice Michael Vick's image was rehabilitated very quickly after he played so well in 2010.  

barnzey
barnzey

It's kind of self-serving for Patterson to comment on how another program chooses to discipline its players for off-the-field transgressions. I don't recall Miles chiming in on the drug ring TCU players were running on campus last year, does anyone else?

jemfinch62
jemfinch62

LSU, like Au Barn, is and has always been a dirty program and always will be.  They could have a vid of this guy killing someone and he'd still play.  

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

The lack of accountability for so many of these athletes is what leads to the A-Rods of the word. The preferential treatment starts at a young age and the players feel entitled. Then the rules mean nothing. As long as you are producing and winning all but the most egregious crimes are overlooked. And at some schools even those are forgiven. After all, the team votes for them to play and who can argue with that?

NoQNoSuperBowl
NoQNoSuperBowl

Generally your life works out better if you tend to your own business and let other people handle theirs. For most of us that is quite enough challenge.

donald5
donald5

My guess is he gets suspended at least 4 games.  That is what Miles gave Jordan Jefferson and he waited until right before they played Oregon to announce it.  Why give TCU more information than they are required to give them?  Why exactly is Miles required to tell anyone what the punishment is until the last moment?  Is it morally superior to publicly announce the suspension a month, week, or day before the games start?  However, if the kid is on the field vs TCU, I will have some major problems with it.

Douglas12
Douglas12

Great job Scooby taking a real reporter's article and slicing it up to make it look more interesting. If anyone wants to read the real article go to the Fort Worth Star Telegram's website.  

mbroncofan
mbroncofan

I'm a HUGE 'Bama fan...and SEC fan...and used to have a tremendous respect for LSU.  Miles is over the top.  If LSU or the SEC doesn't step in here and do something, they are going to have more and more problems like this.  How many dope tests did the Honey Badger fail?  9? 10?  before they finally did something?  And I don't believe Miles made that decision.  I think it was done above him.  You just cannot condone or allow this type of behavior.  Say what you want about Saban, but when one of his kids did nothing more than use a credit card that wasn't his, he was GONE.  (which still fit the crime)  He had nothing to do with the beating given that young man.  A consensus 5 Star recruit...and no chance of ever coming back.  That is what creates discipline and good citizens.  Miles, you really need to take a good look at your priorities here.

tacojones3
tacojones3

@Bob60 Drug cartel?  4 Kids were put on probation.  All were kicked out of school.  Good call dumbass!  

The QB was suspended for 9 games.  

donald5
donald5

@mystafugee What society do you live in?  Society has done its best to paint the wealthy as greedy slime balls.  Hell, presidents win the white house on that platform.

tacojones3
tacojones3

@barnzey What drug ring?  4 players were sentenced to probation......all were kicked off of the team.....not exactly a bunch of Pablo Escobar's running around.  

mystafugee
mystafugee

@barnzey Agreed, this is what I hate about college sports, all this moralizing.  No I don't blame Urban Meyer for Hernandez but what caught him flack was how he talked about his Gators not only being superior football players but superior human beings.  

Iowa
Iowa

@Rickapolis It's the truth. And no idea why people think that somehow allowing college athletes even more freedom (ex. Jay Bilas, Andy Staples) is the answer. The ills of the system-coaches using athletes, players not allowed to get real educations, blatant commercialization from schools/conferences/NCAA-are the real problems and the ones that should be addressed.

Iowa
Iowa

@NoQNoSuperBowl Generally life works out better for everybody when coaches like Les Miles are not enabling their athletes to do whatever they please. Coaches, teachers, parents...all of them like Miles deserve to be called out, and should be more often.

NoHypocrites
NoHypocrites

@mbroncofan Posts like this used to point to Paterno as the ideal disciplinarian, so forgive my cynicism.

Saban had about 10 players arrested in 2008.  Four were arrested earlier this year for felonies.

Dre Kirkpatrick failed as many drug tests as Tyrann Mathieu, yet Kirkpatrick was never disciplined. There may be coaches who would have handled Hill differently than Miles did, but Saban is not one of them.  

And you're an idiot for thinking that it wasn't Miles' decision to kick off Mathieu.  On the first failed drug test for Wing, Mathieu, and Ware, each were suspended immediately.  That doesn't happen in Tuscaloosa.  Or anywhere in Alabama (ask Auburn).

K-Jun
K-Jun

@mbroncofan If LSU played the easy SEC Schedule doled out by the commissioner every year they could suspend half the team and still make the BCS Championship game. 

Yeah, Saban really suspends players. Oh, that's right he suspends them for the first game which is against the likes of Georgia Southern. You are the pot calling the kettle black. No respect for BAMA as they are a bunch of sissies playing an easy schedule in SEC and otherwise. 

Bob60
Bob60

@tacojones3 @Bob60 That's what I said, want me to repeat it?  Those players were not only using drugs but selling them.  The QB has had substance abuse problems and a DUI.  

Patterson needs to look in the mirror before throwing jabs at other coaches.  Everytime I read anything about Patterson he's either whining about injuries (as though other teams don't have them), whining about how the other team plays, or taking jabs at other coaches.  He needs to learn the art of shutting up.

mystafugee
mystafugee

@donald5 @mystafugee Really cause all the laws we pass seem to benefit those at the top of society in terms of wealth.  You ever see poor people being appointed to top government positions?  

mystafugee
mystafugee

@Iowa @Rickapolis Bilas and Staples merely believe it's hypocritical that the NCAA won't allow players to profit off their own image but the NCAA does though.

NoHypocrites
NoHypocrites

@Iowa @NoQNoSuperBowl Les Miles kicked off an all-american for smoking synthetic pot and his highest profile recruit at the time (Perilloux).  Meanwhile, virtually Patterson's entire team has failed a drug test - 82, according to a statement by a TCU player.  

I have no problem with someone criticizing the handling of Hill.  It's offensive, however, when hypocrites like Saban and Patterson do it.  Patterson's QB sells crack on Fridays and plays QB on Saturdays.  And over 30 Alabama players have been arrested in 4 years.  And Saban never even suspended Dre Kirkpatrick after he repeatedly failed drug tests.

Go ahead and call out Miles.  Just don't do it from a glass house.

mbroncofan
mbroncofan

@NoHypocrites @mbroncofan First, 2008 wasn't Saban's recruiting class.  Hard to judge his recruits by that.  I also don't recall 10 kids being arrested or what happened to them.  Can you list names?  An article somewhere?  The only drug issue with Kirkpatrick that I know about was AFTER he graduated.  I'm not saying you are wrong, but I don't recall anything.  Can you show us?  And do you really compare that type of issue with raping a 14 year old girl or beating the hell out of someone?  Saban takes care of the trouble makers immediately.  They aren't recruited, they don't play, they get suspended, etc.  You really need to show us evidence to the contrary.


And yes...Miles did everything he could to keep Mathieu.  His bosses are the ones who forced the issue.  And even then, Miles left the door open a crack for him to return...which I actually admire.  Give the guy a light at the end of the tunnel.  Of course, Mathieu screwed that up too.

mbroncofan
mbroncofan

@K-Jun @mbroncofan Boy..,.talk about jealousy coming to the surface!  Let' see...Alabama has played the best of the several conferences the last few years and won every single game.  They went to sleep against Utah...other than that, they had to beat the likes of Texas, LSU, Notre Dame, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Penn State...the list still goes on.  Not too many schools have that kind of resume with victories against all of them.  If LSU feels like they need criminals to beat Alabama, so be it.  If they want to complain about how Alabama has it so easy, just beat them!  LSU is a helluva team...one of the best in the country.  But they need to shut up and do it right. 

SolidStateMind
SolidStateMind

@K-Jun @mbroncofan Uhm, the way Alabama beat Notre Dame, what does that say about the quality of competition they usually play?  And VaTech are a bunch of sissies too, I guess?

Just suck it up, SEC hater, and shut your piehole.  No rational person would agree with you.

Bob60
Bob60

@tacojones3 @Bob60 It means that both teams have had off the field issues with their players and how other coaches run their teams is none of Patterson's business.  

I'm sure Patterson is a great coach based on what he's done with a bottom barrell program, but he doesn't have any room to be judging how other coaches run their programs, especially with all the garbage his own program has had.  

tacojones3
tacojones3

@Bob60 @tacojones3 So TCU had 4 kids that sold weed.  They were kicked off of the team.  Somehow that makes Patterson look bad.

LSU has a QB guilty of Sexual Battery that will hand the ball off to a RB guilty of rape/child molesting.  Does that mean that Miles has a team full of perverts?

extradc
extradc

@tacojones3 @mystafugee @barnzey As opposed to 4 players arrested for attempting to sell drugs to undercover police officers. Like Safety Devin Johnson telling police in an affidavit that 82 members of the team failed an internal drug test?  Like a potential TCU recruit declining a scholarship because the drug culture there? 

tacojones3
tacojones3

@mystafugee @tacojones3 @barnzey  

Yes it is easy to kick off kids facing serious charges, like oh, I don't know, Sexual Battery (Mettenburger), Rape (Hill).  One coach kicked his off and the other took 2 in. 

NoHypocrites
NoHypocrites

@TCUfan @NoHypocrites My statement was that a TCU football player alleged that 82 players failed a drug test, and that is supported by TCU360.  http://www.tcu360.com/football/2012/02/14530.athlete-tells-police-82-football-players-fail-drug-test

I don't know whether TCU360, Devin Johnson, TCUfan, or disclosed drug test results are credible, and that's why I attributed the statement to the source.  

And Paschall admitted to using coke and ecstasy and failing a school-administered drug test BEFORE he was finally suspended for a DWI.  http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/tcu-qb-casey-pachall-leaves-school-enroll-rehab-182956305--ncaaf.html

Paschall would have been kicked off of LSU's team for repeated violations of team rules, but Patterson is not willing to kick him off.

TCUfan
TCUfan

@NoHypocrites @Iowa @NoQNoSuperBowl Please cite a report of failure of 82 athletes. Please? A unsubstantiated statement by an ex-frog. And you talk about accountability of statements? LOL

Also cite proof of TCU's QB selling crack.

You are the biggest hypocrite of all.

NoHypocrites
NoHypocrites

@stabmasterarson21 @NoHypocrites @Iowa @NoQNoSuperBowl 3 years of eligibility of crackhead heisman finalist > 1 full season of crackhead QB (even when full season is in all caps)

Iowa said Miles lets his star players do whatever they please.  That's factually wrong.  Stabmasterarson inserted the comparison between Miles and Patterson.  The fact is that we don't know how Patterson would treat his all-american-caliber players because he doesn't get them.  In contrast, we do know that Miles is willing to kick off anyone on the team, as he has done.

mbroncofan
mbroncofan

@NoHypocrites @mbroncofan Wait a minute! 
Again, Saban didn't recruit those players in 2008.  And what if both he and Miles recruit the same players??  I'm here to tell you that if Hill were playing for Alabama, he would be DONE.  You can't always control every one of your players at all times.  But those 4 players you mention that were arrested last year?  ALL are gone.  And no chance of coming back.  And one of them had absolutely nothing to do with the violent crimes.  18 recruiting stars combined...and Saban sent them all packing.  The kid from south Alabama they were recruiting that was charged with rape...done.  You can quote all you want about who recruits who...that isn't what this is about anyway.  This is about what they do discipline wise after they are caught...and you can't possibly put Miles anywhere near the category of Saban.  Miles just doesn't get the discipline piece of it.  By the way...your ULM story really doesn't go into much detail.  Why was he suspended?  For how long?  Tough to use that one.  If his offense was being late for a meeting, then this sounds appropriate.  We really don't know there.  My point is, would Miles have suspended him at all?  I doubt it.

NoHypocrites
NoHypocrites

@mbroncofan @NoHypocrites Saban suspended a player and then let him play the second half because they were losing to ULM.  http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=273210333  To be fair, I did not find a citation to the claim about Kirkpatrick, so I can't substantiate it.

The 10 players were arrested in 2008.  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3266101  This story only counts 8, but the article was printed before others.

4 of Saban's recruits were arrested earlier this year.  And, more importantly, Saban and Miles tend to recruit substantially the same players.  In fact, if this Alabama board is to be believed, Saban made an offer to Jeremy Hill.  http://www.woollyal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=775  And I've seen reports that Saban also recruited Perilloux, but I'm not going to pull those cites too.

SECownsCFB
SECownsCFB

@mbroncofan @Ray1950 @K-Jun 

Alabama's record last five years:

2008: 12-2

2009: 14-0

2010: 10-3

2011: 12-1

2012: 13-1

Can you add? Give it a try and see what you get.

mbroncofan
mbroncofan

@Ray1950 @SECownsCFB @K-Jun @mbroncofan Oh man...you better take another look at your stats.  You couldn't be more wrong.  What school did you go to?  I need to know so I make sure nobody I know goes there.  They obviously didn't teach you to read...

Ray1950
Ray1950

@SECownsCFB @K-Jun @mbroncofan Damn good thing you folks have college football going for you because Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas rank among the bottom five percent in just about everything else, including school education. Sis Boom Bah!