Posted July 27, 2013

Zack Greinke rips Brewers’ Ryan Braun for ‘using’ his teammates

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Former Brewers pitcher Zack Greinke said Ryan Braun was “so convincing” in lying to teammates about his innocence. (Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Dodgers pitcher Zack Greinke, who spent a year and a half with the Brewers, ripped suspended Milwaukee slugger Ryan Braun for lying to and manipulating his teammates in comments to The Los Angeles Times‘ Dylan Hernandez on Friday.

After asking for two days to collect his thoughts, Greinke, like Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, said that Braun told the Brewers that he had done nothing wrong after successfully overturning a positive performance-enhancing drug test in 2011.

Braun was suspended for the rest of the 2013 season on Monday, accepting a 65-game penalty for his ties to the Biogenesis clinic.

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From the Los Angeles Times report:

“The main thing is, yeah, he lied to us,” Greinke said. “He forced us to lie for him, threw people under the bus in order to help himself out and didn’t care, blamed others for his mistakes and it’s just a lot of things you don’t expect from people.”

Greinke added that while teammates believed Braun when he maintained his innocence, but that in hindsight Braun was simply using his teammates.

“Oh, yeah, 100% believed him,” Greinke said. “Everything was so convincing. He had people to blame. He seemed like a really good guy. He was a good teammate at the time. You don’t know the guys that he was pinning it on. I’m not positive, but I think everyone 100% believed him at the time. Especially the next year, he looked just as good as the year before. His numbers his whole career, Hall of Fame numbers. How could you not believe him? He was so convincing.”

Asked whether his opinion on Braun as a player changed, Greinke replied, “Not even talking about the player. It’s just the person. Just the fact that he was willing to use anyone that got in his path. The closer you were to him, the more he would use you. It’s just disappointing that a human being could be like that.”

Greinke was also disappointed that Braun still hasn’t issued “a real apology.”

“The fact that even to this day he hasn’t had a real apology is really upsetting to me,” Greinke said. “I thought about it a bunch. He still hasn’t really apologized.”


25 comments
MidwestGolfFan
MidwestGolfFan

Two years ago, Logan Morrison criticized the Marlins front office for chaos.  He got sent down to the minors immediately afterward, which looked for all the world like reprisal for...um...telling the truth.  Whether it was or not, the MLBPA was nowhere to be found, and the sports media was chortling about it.

Now you have guys who everybody knows are cheaters, with documentation to back it up, and there's the MLBPA, apparently on the spot to defend them and their right to appeal.  

The millionaires' union is just as screwed up as any other union.

6marK6
6marK6

Braun is a greasy character. I love watching that press conference where he lied through his teeth. He has this swagger and is dressed like an Armani model from 1992. He is so full of himself. I am sure his attitude was "these morons will believe whatever I tell them."

kj4027
kj4027

Grow up. He tested positive for high levels of testosterone. His lawyers did not question the results but rather the collection method. He got off on a technicality but he still tested positive.

Rickapolis
Rickapolis

All of this is just a fact of life. You believe what you want to believe. I can't really blame the other Brewers having faith in their teammate. I'm sure all of us have some incident where we look back and say, 'How the hell did I ever fall for that?' But we do. And that kind of betrayal hurts. Braun has thrown away any and all trust that people ever had in him. 

EzraTank
EzraTank

The closer you were to him, the more he would use you. It’s just disappointing that a human being could be like that.”

It's a common pattern that all the cheaters use.  Look at Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong.  

SlamaLama
SlamaLama

For $100 million, I'm sure most people would lie to their Mother.

WHO*IS*ESPN
WHO*IS*ESPN

“The main thing is, yeah, he lied to us,” Greinke said. “He forced us to lie for him,"

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HOW can that be. Braun  lied and then YOU lied for him????? PLEASE. YOU are as guilty as he is then. NO ONE forced you to lie as you are a 'big boy' 

igorthebarbarian
igorthebarbarian

I love that Greinke who is listed as 6'2" / 195 (a very slight build) is ripping him. Well said Zack.

GregMarshall
GregMarshall

This is coming from a Brewers fan, but I am more disappointed that Braun lied for the last 1 1/2 years than for him taking PED's. I still don't know what made him take it, but the worst was when he ripped the collector and than had the balls to go on camera and say he's innocent, and that "I would bet my life that this substance never entered my body at any point" That is what ticks me off the most. 

crimsonmastodon
crimsonmastodon

Unfortunately we haven't heard the end of this.  According to reports, athletes from other sports are involved.  I wonder how many college football athletes and strength coaches have their names in that little black book.

MrArlington
MrArlington

Given the circumstances of the situation everyone and their brother knew it his story was BS. Got off on a technicality. His teammates might have been too close to think sensibly I guess.

NoThanksESPNFacebook
NoThanksESPNFacebook

This is going to keep on going until language is added to contracts that allows them to be voided for PED use. The union will of course fight this with everything they have because they are enablers. It's really up to the players to decide they don't want this in their game. Until then you will always have people that will trade in the HoF for 300 mill+ career earnings. 


MLB looked the other way for years so they made this problem too but at least they are finally trying to clean it up unlike other sports like the NBA where you know at least some players are using but you don't hear a peep.

Stud1
Stud1

Best response yet from any player in any clubhouse in MLB.   It takes a guy with social anxiety to be honest about how he feels.  Well done!

mystafugee
mystafugee

Either Greinke is hypocritical since he had to have known what teammates are doing it or he's just totally cut off from the rest of the team.

Wisconsin Death Trip
Wisconsin Death Trip

STILL waiting on "A-Roids" guys.....

Wonder what HIS teammates feel like having this THING still around. YIKES!


stratus5ss
stratus5ss

Who else is involved in this scandal and why have they not been suspended yet? Suspend them all and get it over with so everybody can just concentrate on baseball. This has gotten old by now.

JimKirkwood1
JimKirkwood1

@WHO*IS*ESPN If I understand correctly what Greinke is saying, the players believed Braun and based on that, proclaimed his innocence. Lying is knowingly stating a falsehood. This would make his teammates naive, but not liars.

The Dude
The Dude

@WHO*IS*ESPN His point is not that they lied in the sense that they said what they knew to be false statements but that the statement which they thought to be true based on their belief in Braun were in fact not true (in that sense they lied, but as you would have to admit, if you have a brain in your head, that is not what we think of a really lying--stating something you know to be false).

onemanonthechessboard
onemanonthechessboard

@GregMarshall  What I find shocking is that so many, otherwise completely rational people, like yourself fell for his lies. It was so obvious. MLB was coming right out and admitting it mishandled the sample yet saying that he still tested positive! This is a case of wanting to believe something even when you know its not true. You know kind of like when you find out that your wife has been screwing the checkout boy at the local grocery store and you're like ... no way. And then finally a video shows up on facebook ... yeah it's kind of like that.

MrArlington
MrArlington

@GregMarshall With all due respect. You do know that almost every objective individual looked at the facts of this and knew Braun got off in 2011?

DalePearl
DalePearl

@NoThanksESPNFacebook 

I agree that it should be there in the contracts and I think that it is getting there. More and more players in the union are wanting to see players penalized with tougher penalties. A sure sign of a clean player is one that is willing to put "contract and salary voided if evidence of PED found past or present usage." Those should be the players getting the big contracts and long term deals.

kdbarbershop
kdbarbershop

@mystafugee You've never been around a clubhouse for any length of time have you? Those guys lead different lives away from baseball. Some of those clubhouses are big enough that you might not even see someone if you didn't actively look. This is all on Braun, and now one else.

Solomon
Solomon

I think all fans would like it over as soon as possible, but the Union already said no suspensions would be announced for any player utilizing appeal process, and that process probably wouldn't be finished by end of this season. So be prepared for it to drag on for a while.

CSU81991
CSU81991

@DalePearl @NoThanksESPNFacebook Regarding voiding of contracts. There was an article by Jayson Stark directly speaking to the voiding of the contract issue with MLB player Skip Schumacher. Briefly, he and others were for it as long as the owners provided a true way for false positives (Stark provides a recent example from this year) to not just be included but also  so that those contracts in no way shape or form can be voided. It seems that is one of the main stumbling blocks to starting even preliminary discussions. 

Now, one can just yell that it's the union stalling etc or another side could just as legit say (as mentioned in Stark's article) that MLB doesn't want a rule that is hard to enforce and would rather positive equals void and if there happens to be some mistakes then so be it. 

It seems to me that voiding a contract as a rule is a great idealistic dream both sides (and fans) would want but it's not fair to the players (and spare the union bashing please) to sign on to a black and white deal when there are false positives (just as there are in other careers. Heck even in medicine there are false positives and that's why doctor's, good ones, always get a 2nd opinion and a lab a back up report at least before they move forward on aggressive medical therapies)

Most importantly, the fact that Schumacher and other players (in article) are open to voiding the contract(s) or year long suspensions is a big step. To me, if they are even willing to put that out there then it's incumbent on MLB to work with them to provide a testing system that accounts for the mistakes (the article refers to someone this year who inadvertently used some foot cream of his kids or something like that with absolutely no ability in it to help his career and still was "busted" until enough uproar ensued that MLB took another look and he was  quickly exonerated)