Posted June 14, 2013

12 disciplined for D-Backs-Dodgers brawl

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The Dodgers and Diamondback could be looking at suspensions after last night's brawl. (AP Photo)

The 12 people on the Dodgers and Diamondbacks were disciplined for Tuesday night’s brawl. (AP)

Major League Baseball suspended five players, two managers and fined four others for their participation in the Los Angeles Dodgers-Arizona Diamondbacks brawl on Tuesday night.

Dodgers hitting coach Mark McGwire also received a two-game suspension for his conduct during the incident.

Diamondbacks pitcher Ian Kennedy set off a benches-clearing brawl during the 5-3 loss after he hit Dodgers rightfielder Yasiel Puig in the face in the sixth inning.

That came on a 1-2 count with one out and the bases empty and Arizona leading 2-0. Puig stayed in the game and then Andre Ethier followed with a game-tying home run.

Diamondbacks catcher Miguel Montero was hit between the numbers by a Zack Greinke fastball on a 2-1 count. That resulted in the benches clearing but no actual fighting.

The suspensions and fines are as follows:

Kennedy received a 10-game suspension for intentionally throwing a pitch in the head area of Greinke in the bottom of the seventh inning, after a warning had already been issued to both Clubs earlier in the game;

Diamondbacks infielder Eric Hinske received a five-game suspension for leaving the dugout and for his aggressive actions during the incidents.

Dodgers pitcher J.P. Howell and infielder/outfielder Skip Schumaker each received two-game suspensions for their aggressive actions during the incidents.

Dodgers pitcher Ronald Belisario has received a one-game suspension for his aggressive actions during the incidents.

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly has received a one-game suspension for the actions of his Club and for his conduct during the incident.

D-backs manager Kirk Gibson received a one-game suspension for the intentional actions of Kennedy after a warning had been issued.

Fines also were issued to Greinke, Puig, Montero and Diamondbacks outfielder Gerardo Parra.


27 comments
FeliciaFitzgerald
FeliciaFitzgerald

"Diamondbacks pitcher Ian Kennedy set off a benches-clearing brawl during the 5-3 loss after he hit Dodgers rightfielder Yasiel Puig in the face in the sixth inning."

I'm embarrassed for SI. Fact checkers anyone???

Anyone who knows anything about this brawl knows that it didn't happen after Puig was hit (which was clearly a mistake - a slow curve ball). It happened after 1) Greinke retaliated and threw behind some AZ player and 2) Kennedy retaliated when Greinke was at-bat and pegged him in the left shoulder (not in the helmet as some people have claimed).

Bad journalism breeds ignorance.

mjhellund
mjhellund

Carlos Quentin would have killed somebody. Or at least broken some bones. And beaning Puig on a 1-2 count is as bogus as it gets. How does the league fine the guy that got hit by a pitch in the face. Oh, he's on the Dodgers, that's right.

salvaje50
salvaje50

At 0:29 it looked like #15 on the D'Backs was about to get cornholed on the dugout railing

TerrapinStation87
TerrapinStation87

There is unrest in the forest. There is trouble with the trees. For the maples want more sunlight and the oaks ignore their pleas.

B17
B17

i think kennedy's beaning of greinke was justified, though certainly not in the upper body region in which it was delivered.  i don't think kennedy intended to hit Puig. there is no explanation i can think of that would make sense for him intentionally hitting him. pitcher's count, close game, no history between the two, etc. greinke's beaning of montero was clearly a retaliation pitch. very deliberate plunking in response to a mistake by kennedy. given that, i believe that kennedy is justified in retaliating by hitting greinke (though, again, not in the head region).

reed
reed

I wish the author would get the fact correct. The brawl was not the direct result of the Puig beaning in the 6th, it was the result of the Grienke beaning in the 7th. As for the length of fines, I agree with the others in that Kennedy will miss two games - big whoop! Since he initiated the whole thing, he should miss 5 starts. 

MattBugaj
MattBugaj

Without Kennedy, none of this happens. Sure, maybe there's a plunk of a rookie that was supposed to be chin music, and then there's a retaliation that Montero was cool with, but then Kennedy comes back with another head shot. That's garbage. I hope he doesn't have fans. Fortunately he plays in Phoenix, so they won't be many anyway. What a **ck.

Fining Grienke, Puig, and Montero is stupid. Grienke was a victim who only did one respectable protective toss that was blatant and not injurious. Montero was okay with that beaning and then jumped right up after the Grienke beaning and the two of them had a rational conversation. I thought both players were admirable. Puig is a rookie who got hit in the face. Fining him for leaving the bench and getting agitated later is stupid. He should have gotten a free pass. MLB doesn't know what it's doing.

James C
James C

I don't agree with Kennedy's suspension of 10 games, but it was consistent with the length given to other players (2 games). Personally I think Kennedy should have gotten a lot more (25 games at least), and several other suspensions should have been longer. 

Wisconsin Death Trip
Wisconsin Death Trip

The "commish" needs to outlaw "The Code"....and I mean NOW...like yesterday man. 

JamieBreslow
JamieBreslow

So all he misses is two starts? That's a joke. I hate to agree with Wilbon on too many things, but it really should have been at least 25 games.

Michael10
Michael10

@mjhellund Maybe because he was the first Dodger out of the dugout and across the field in the final incident, snorting and charging like a bull in a china shop. Granted, most of it was for show -- like his ground-rolling display after getting clipped by Kennedy's pitch -- but he was still one of the most belligerent participants in the brawl...

Denverfan777
Denverfan777

The trouble with the maples, and they're quite convinced they're right;They say the oaks are just too lofty,and they grab up all the light.

Denverfan777
Denverfan777

The trouble with the maples, and they're quite convinced they're right;

They say the oaks are just too lofty,and they grab up all the light.

olansuddeth
olansuddeth

@B17 You have to be a D'Backs fan.  You hit a guy in the face, you should expect one of your guys to get hit in retaliation.  Montero got the brunt of this, but was hit in a non injurous way, and he clearly understood what was going on.

To hit Greinke in retaliation for the retaliation is wrong, and to intentionally hit him around the head is borderline criminal. 10 games isn't nearly enough.  Even Carlos Zambrano, back in his days of insanity, didn't throw intentionally at the heads of opposing batters.

Full disclosure: I'm a Cubs fan with enough woes of my own.  I could not care less what two NLW teams do to one another. 

Michael10
Michael10

@reed Kennedy wasn't punished for hitting Puig, he was punished for hitting Greinke--and Greinke was punished for hitting Montero. 

So, based on the penalties handed down by MLB, if anyone was responsible for the first "inappropriate" or "inciting" action, it was Greinke.

Michael10
Michael10

@MattBugaj Without Grienke it doesn't happen.  I guarantee Greinke will find himself in the middle of another situation like this before Kennedy does. The blame here is piled disproportionately on Kennedy, just as it was on Quentin the last time. What's the old saying--if you meet three a-holes, maybe you're it...

Let's see how long it takes Greinke to find a third.

And as for Puig, no one should get a free pass for acting like a thug -- especially if he's getting paid $42 M to play ball. Heck, Hinske got suspended five games for leaving the dugout and he wasn't anywhere near as belligerent on the field as Puig. Or Belisario. Or Howell. Or Mattingly. Or McGwire (which admittedly, as a Cardinals fan, both surprised and saddened me...)

BosephHeyden
BosephHeyden

@JamieBreslow Agree that the length is a joke.  Ten games is what you give a starter that retaliates against a player for either showing up his team or having way too good of a game, and then starts a brawl. It's not the type of suspension you give to a guy who went for "kill shots" against two different guys intentionally.  25 is fair, because we'd be looking at a lot more if he caused any significant damage to either guy.

Michael10
Michael10

@olansuddeth @B17 So...

Greinke plunking Montero after an unintentional HBP = justified

and

Kennedy plunking Greinke after an intentional HBP = unjustified? 

Just trying to work out the logic here...

Michael10
Michael10

@olansuddeth @Michael10 @B17 Greinke hitting Montero was uncalled for -- this was the first intentionally belligerent action. Kennedy hitting Greinke was the first legitimate "retaliation," whether the placement of the pitch was questionable or not. When Greinke decided to play "enforcer"after an unintentional HBP (it's very obvious the pitch to Puig was a mistake from the video and the fact that it wasn't mentioned in the MLB release), he started the "beanball war," not Kennedy (in fact, Greinke had already hit a player before the Puig HBP which did not see "retaliation" from the Diamondbacks).

It's all semantics, anyway. If I run up and give a guy a kidney punch because he I thought he looked at my girlfriend a little too long, I don't gain the moral "high ground" when he cracks me in the skull. I guarantee Greinke will find himself in another incident like this before Kennedy does.

olansuddeth
olansuddeth

@Michael10 @olansuddeth @B17 Sure thing, I'll be happy to help.  Clearly you have never played baseball at any level, haven't had a kid in it, haven't paid attention on TV, whatever.  It's not a complicated concept, but I'll lay the logic out for you.

If you hit an opponent with a pitch, you can fully expect their pitcher to hit one of your guys.  The only time this isn't the case is if it's a clear mistake on an offspeed pitch - say, a right hander has a slider get away down and in to a left handed batter.  If you hit someone with a fastball (the easiest pitch to control), one of your guys is gonna get hit in retaliation, even if your missed pitch was a mistake.  Those bruises aren't a different color because of your intent.

The opposing pitcher is protecting his teammate.  The point is that even if it was a mistake, you have to be more careful. 

If you hit an opposing player around the head, one of your guys is going to get hit 100% of the time.  Anyone who has ever put on spikes - anyone who has ever shuttled a kid back and forth to practice at the junior varsity level or above - anyone who has any observational skills and watches baseball on TV - should know this.

In no circumstance do you intentionally throw at someone's head.  Too many careers have been ended by this; you risk the life of the batter.  What you do instead is make your point by throwing at a guy's ribs, back, legs, etc.  Which is what Greinke did.  Which is why Greinke wasn't suspended.  He's a headcase, he's had other issues, but in this situation, he acted 100% correctly.

Kennedy hitting Greinke was uncalled for.  Kennedy throwing at Greinke's head is borderline criminal.  Ten games is a slap on the wrist.



Michael10
Michael10

@olansuddeth @Michael10 @BosephHeyden @JamieBreslow And you obviously don't "get" the definition of intent. There were not two pitches thrown "at" batters heads -- am I the only person on these boards that has actually watched the video of the pitch to Puig? It very clearly got away before clipping the batter (yes, it clipped him folks -- no blood, no bruise. Puig missed the next game because he aggravated his shoulder in the brawl later). 

And calling the pitch that went off Greinke's shoulder and into his helmet  a "kill shot" is just as absurd and overly dramatic -- almost as dramatic as all of the postplay blustering and posturing.

olansuddeth
olansuddeth

@Michael10 @BosephHeyden @JamieBreslow Wow.  You really either truly do not "get it", or you are a troll.

The fastball is the easiest pitch to control, as it has virtually no movement.  It's the pitch you teach a nine year old so that he can throw strikes.  It's the pitch that every pitcher leans on when nothing else is working.

A lousy major league level fastball (say, mid 80s) is potentially lethal, and has a high instance of injury (sometimes permanent) when thrown at someone's head.  Kennedy threw at opposing players' heads TWICE in the same game. 

Ten games is a joke of a punishment.