Posted May 13, 2013

Brady Hoke: Notre Dame is “chickening out” of rivalry with Wolverines

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Michigan head coach Brady Hoke is lamenting the fact that Notre Dame is going to be ending their rivalry, and let those feelings be known when speaking to a crowd in Grand Rapids, Mich. this past weekend.

After coming to an agreement to play five ACC teams every year, Notre Dame decided to pull out of the series, with their last scheduled meeting coming in the 2014 season.

Michigan does have a winning record (23-15-1) against Notre Dame in their all-time series, which dates back to 1887. Notre Dame beat Michigan 13-6 in Ann Arbor last season.

“We are fortunate to have unbelievable rivalry games at Michigan,” said Hoke. “The Notre Dame game, that rivalry, which they’re chickening out of. They’re still going to play Michigan State, they’re going to play Purdue, but they don’t want to play Michigan. I don’t know how they made that decision.”

Below is Hoke commenting in a video made available from coachingsearch.com.


76 comments
Mattdd17
Mattdd17

Hoke is just trying to make headlines. Michigan already replaced one ND with BYU. My question is, "why is Michigan afraid to play a home and home with BYU?" Scared to lose at BYU?

jacksonbliss
jacksonbliss

I respect Brady Hoke even though I'm a ND/SC fan, but I think he's wrong.  I love the ND/MI rivalry because of how storied both programs are, but historically, Notre Dame has played Purdue + MSU many more times in part because of the MI boycott of Notre Dame during the Yost years, which is why those rivalries are are so much stronger.  Also, ND didn't drop Michigan for any other reason than it now has to schedule 5 ACC teams every year, which gives ND a lot less flexibility than before.  So, the other OOC games at Stanford, USC, Navy take more precedence. 

 

And empirically speaking, ND has helped increase Michigan's strength of schedule a lot more in recent times than the other way around.  Or, said another way, recently when Mi + ND play, ND is usually ranked higher with the exception of last year, which helps Michigan. Either way, the ranking scenario fluctuates between the two teams, but Brady Hoke is being hypocritical by pretending that team decisions aren't a 100% self-interested to begin with (because they are).  Even worse, he's just given Notre Dame extra motivation to defeat them this year, which is kinda stupid for such a good coach.

jclark
jclark

Why is everyone talking about this conference?  Everyone knows 'Grown Man Football" is played in the SEC! Go 'Bama!

MRK
MRK

Maybe the IRISH should cancel all their games against all teams and just play with themselves..."hide the sausage; the baloney pony game......

Swagger1988
Swagger1988

Hoke is either an idiot or knows nothing of the history of the ND/MI rivalry (or both). It is pretty much the height of hypocrisy for anyone associated with MI football to call ND "chicken" for opting out of the series when MI -- led by Fielding Yost and Fritz Crisler -- refused to play the Irish in football from 1910 to 1978 (except for a brief 2-game series during WWII). In fact, Yost actively tried to blackball the Irish in the midwest and used his influence to induce other Big 10 programs to refuse to play ND during the 1920s and 1930s. Most would call that "chicken." Ironically, Yost's/MI's chickenhearted tactic was the major reason the Irish football team was forced to barnstorm to the East and West coasts to play, forming the truly national fanbase that it enjoys today. So thanks, Wolverine Nation. As your history-challenged coach pulls his fat foot out of his mouth, you all once again remind me why I love Notre Dame. GO IRISH!...

Martin M
Martin M

I love all the angry comments from ND fans.

Jay A
Jay A

The next step for ND, they will drop USC, it's a making of a Cream Puff Schedule. 

mcdonald.b66
mcdonald.b66

Why is this coach more concerned with who ND plays than the schedule of Michigan?

L10Donovan
L10Donovan

If the Michigan-Notre Dame rivalry game were so important then there would be a rivalry trophy. There isn't. There is for Michigan State and Purdue. That means there is more tradition with those teams. Notre Dame is all about tradition. And Notre Dame doesn't go to a conference in football because the have a contract with NBC and will have to give it up if they join a conference.

vader41dv
vader41dv

All Big 10/12 whatever they are now should cancel ND's games. If they want to go to the ACC for bball and baseball, they should for football. What makes them so special. I thouight to play for a national championship, 1 part is to win your conference championship or we changing things to make it easier for ND... such B.S. NCAA Politics as usual.

P Beaux
P Beaux

I guess Michigan "chickened out" of it's rivalry with App State?

davet33
davet33

Brady reminds me more of a mob wise guy than a college head football coach at a major university.  And even though Michigan has won three of the last four contests those three wins came down to the last series of the game and the 2009 contest in Ann Arbor was handed to them by the B1G officials.  So UM has not exactly been dominant.

 

Brady needs to work on his triple chin and beer belly before casting stones. 

AnObserver
AnObserver

Brady Hokey will have his head handed to him on a platter every year by Urban Meyer. Urban is going to bring SEC football to the B1G and we will see who the phonies are.

Rhino30
Rhino30

When you add 5 games to your schedule, somebody needs to disappear - thus Michigan won't be the only one. There is significantly more tradition with Michigan State and Purdue than there is with Michigan. At the end of the day, I am still confident that ND's schedule will be substantially more difficult than Michigan's.

AlanHeuser
AlanHeuser

 @jclark Dude, I'm a Bama fan, but this doesn't concern us.  Show some class and don't butt in!

lol_@_U
lol_@_U

 @Swagger1988 Here's the thing...your telling of the story is complete BS.  Yost created your beloved football team and then found them ungrateful/pathetic cheaters years later (not just him...all of the major football powers agreed).  At which point he exiled ND from major college athletics (this is power over a complete inferior entity). This resulted in the creation of your national independence...ND had to go around the country to find teams that knew nothing of their cheating ways just to create games.  This is the true history of your beloved football independence...just like your football team in general...Michigan created it.  Be thankful and show respect.   

MRK
MRK

YEA..that's right...GO IRISH...go find some other players that have fake girlfriends and lie about it and cover it up....ha ha ha ha....

Cool
Cool

 @Swagger1988 Nice history lesson, although it has nothing to do with today's rivalries and the comments Hoke made about this generation of football.  I suppose we can all still hate all the Japanese for what they did to us in the 1940's, but some of us have moved on and live in the present. 

StevenB
StevenB

 @Jay A Have you seen ND's schedule?  The NCAA ranks it in the top 10 in the country almost every year.  Look  at their schedule each year.  Even SEC teams usually do not play a schedule a tough as ND.

AnObserver
AnObserver

I would like to know why people are so obsessed with the fact that ND is not in a conference? What rule says they have to be? What ethic is being broken? With all the scandals at Auburn, Oregon, Miami, UNC, Arkansas, Penn State, all the criminal charges against players and coaches, why is the issue of being in a conference or not elevated to such a level of ferocious malcontent? It does not break any rule, or else the NCAA would be all over it. Hypocrites. 

vanboja
vanboja

Ahem - it doesn't make sense for MSU or Purdue to cancel games with ND.  It isn't a one-sided proposition.  MSU and Purdue do gain benefit from these games.  I really don't see the big issue.  Okay, so your ego is hurt that ND wants to be an independent and doesn't want to join the Big Ten.  Big deal. 

AnObserver
AnObserver

Nebraska did not win their conference in 2001, Oklahoma did not win it in 2003, and Alabama did not win it in 2011. All played in the NC game anyway. Once again, hypocrite!

mcdonald.b66
mcdonald.b66

 @vader41dv There have been a few teams to win NC's without even winning their own conference, it's rare but it does happen.

TimJohnson
TimJohnson

Oh, please- ND will be playing ACC schools. They would have a tougher schedule if they had played the Mountain West...

AnObserver
AnObserver

That is a piece of revisionist history worthy of Orwell. What pills do you pop?

AnObserver
AnObserver

Tell me, a**h*le, since you are so concerned about coverups, who did you vote for? The man whose administration has covered up the deaths of American diplomats, the abuse of power by the IRS, and the violation of Freedom of the Press by the DOJ? Hmmmm?

Swagger1988
Swagger1988

 @Cool  @Swagger1988

 History has everything to do with today's rivalries, you tool.  That's how these match-ups develop into "rivalries" in the first place. The history of MI's bigot-fueled avoidance of ND for more than 50 years explains why ND has absolutely no problem opting out of a year-to-year continuation of the series that, frankly, MI needs far more than ND does.  (Has anybody seen the ridiculous non-conference schedule MI sets up for itself?  Appalachian St. and Miami of Ohio?)  It also provides context to explain why Hoke's comments are ridiculous and hypocritcal.  While MI continues to be mired in a conference that demonstrates its ineptitude on an annual basis -- most recently by adding football powerhouses Maryland and Rutgers -- ND has ensured that it has the freedom to develop exciting new match-ups tht build on its national fanbase and continue longstanding year-to-year rivalries that are based on a history of mutual respect. 

 

Cool
Cool

 @AnObserver  I am sure it was just an oversight when you speak of schools and scandals and you leave Notre Dame off the list?  I am sure you know that ND has scandals but they don't have a conference that holds them accountable?  For you to suggest otherwise would be wrong and perhaps even a hypocrite yourself!

vader41dv
vader41dv

I'm not a hypocrite, I was asking isn't that part of the criteria for getting to the NC Game. Maybe I should of spelled it out more clearly. Sorry If I ruffled the "O" Mighty Irish Fan/s feathers...But they should be part of a conference or do away with the conferences all together...

AnObserver
AnObserver

Weiss is a worthless bum. Urban Meyer is a coach who can and will successfully challenge Nick Saban, There is no comparison whatsoever between the two. They are at opposite ends of the college football coaching spectrums. And I hope Meyer does indeed annihilate the B1G and beat Alabama and win the NC.

vanboja
vanboja

Wow.  There is a lot of hostility here.  I don't think that ian declared that ND did anything wrong.  I took it as the opposite. 

AnObserver
AnObserver

First, I am NOT a Catholic, not even close. I am a Constitutionalist, which you certainly are not. YOUR sick and twisted reasoning is the reasoning of mob justice, kangaroo justice, and despotism. You should move to the DPRK. You would fit right in with Kim IL Jong and the like. The Constitution of the United States grants certain inalienable rights to the accused. One of those rights is the right to due process of law. Another right is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. There are other rights, including the right to present a defense. The kind of justice you espouse is the kangaroo justice that was found in the former Soviet Union, the DPRK, Iran under the Ayatollah, Irag under Saddam, etc. But you should be happy, because Fascists like you are certainly moving the United States in this direction. But once despotism becomes the new norm, and the rule of Constitutional Law is fully abandoned, it won't be selective in who it tyrannizes. The Media was Osama Bin Bama's biggest ally, now look at what happened with the DOJ and the Associated Press. Tyranny does NOT play favorites. It only appears that way. You seem to have the delusions that you have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. What gives you that right? What gives you the right to assert the guilt of the man who was accused in the case you are referring to? You are a deluded narcissist, and on the same moral plane as Kim Il Jong and the rest of the despots of that ilk.

vanboja
vanboja

Wow.  That was a smooooooooth transition to politics.  So glad that the political pundits (wink, wink) are here. 

Cool
Cool

 @AnObserver Your reasoning suggest that OJ never killed his wife and Casey Anthony didn't kill her daughter, jury told you so, and those dead bodies are just an inconvenient distraction.   

Cool
Cool

 @AnObserver You must be the fat catholic conservative boy with no real brain, just a big suit and a bow tie.  My point is that just because you didn't see it, and it can't be proven in court because no one saw it, does not make it untrue. Your belief that it is only a crime if it has a witness is both naive and sickening.  The truth of the matter is that the catholic institute did what it always does.. makes the victim out to be lying.. just like all those little boys with the priest, no one saw it so how can they prosecute them???   Again, you are a sick individual if that is your reasoning. 

AnObserver
AnObserver

Since you were there, and witnessed the alleged crime (you give yourself away by stating with such absolute certainty that you know it happened), your failure to come forth as a witness at the time makes you guilty of being an accessory to the obstruction of justice. So who is the sick individual? You knew a crime took place, and you did nothing to bring about justice at the time when it mattered. You only now come forth with you ringing declaration of irrefutable knowledge of the facts of the case. So not only does that make you guilty of the obstruction of justice, it makes you a coward as well.

Cool
Cool

 @AnObserver That's it, make this all about politics now.  You certainly have a habit of changing the subject when you feel the pressure.  But wait, you have already stated you think if a women with mental issues has her breast fondled without her permission, it is acceptable because well.. no one actually saw it, and it can't be proved in a court of law.. so go ahead.. fondle away boys!  You are really a sick individual, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Cool
Cool

 @Swagger1988 I am saying you need to let go.. the things you are mad about happened along time ago, and unless you are 88 years old, you probably don't even remember.  Sort of like southerners still being upset about the civil war... Still thinking that when a northern team beats them it is like losing the war all over again.   At some point you need to get past old old stuff and kind of move into the present.

StevenB
StevenB

 @Cool  @AnObserver Know your facts, she never said rape.  It was that he inappropriately touched her.  I feel very sorry for her and her family, but some of her story was also false which make it very hard to do anything about it.

Cool
Cool

 @AnObserver Thanks for the clarification.  I was truly unaware of the fact that if a girl has mental issues, and I fondle her breast against her will that it is acceptable.  You got me there, you just gave me to old one two punch and I am out.  I am also just dumbstruck at the fact that I didn't just bend over and believe every detail of the account given by the Catholic School administration and police. I am certainly aware that no catholic institute has ever been involved in the cover up of sexual scandals.   Thank you so much  for the update.  You can now go back to your cave and wake up the woman you hit clubbed.

AnObserver
AnObserver

There have been scandals at ND. Actually, a more genuine scandal is the neglience that got the kid killed when the crane fell over. The one you refer to is one that always floats around, but the truth of the matter is that what you claim is NOT true at all. First of all, an accusation of rape was NEVER made. The accusation made was that he fondled her breast. Second, she had a history of mental illness, including a history that was established at another school before she ever went to ND. The police found no evidence that would stand up in court, it was a he said/she said situation, no other witnesses. There were contradictions regarding phone records. It was determined that there was nothing to go on that would actually bring about a conviction.  So, no one was actually proven guilty of anything in a court of law, unlike Penn State.

 

So, if you are going to recount scandal stories, recount them accurately before you begin any other discussion.

 

Cool
Cool

 @AnObserver I was simply referring to your comment about schools and scandals.  It seems that you tried to switch the focus on schools and scandals and I am simply pointing out that ND certainly has had it's fair share of scandals.(Girl raped by ND player, it is swept under rug and she kills herself)  I point out that if you want to play by those rules then you must accept the truth or you too are a hypocrite.

AnObserver
AnObserver

The issue is that NOT being in a conference is NOT an issue of wrong doing. Artificially raising an NON-moral issue to a moral issue IS hypocrisy, because it is done only to serve the vitriole of those who wish to vent against Notre Dame for an issue that simply is NOT an issue. That is the only point I was addressing.

AnObserver
AnObserver

That would require a change to NCAA rules to make it illegal to not be in a conference. Fine. But I don't see the University Presidents and ADs of the schools in conferences calling for this, or having issues with schools not in conferences.

vader41dv
vader41dv

I know they did, it was mentioned after that, winning a conference championship was part of the criteria. If it was changed due to the new so-called format, then i missed it.  I also agree that Army, BYU should be in a conference and do away with all the Independents...

AnObserver
AnObserver

If winning the conference was required, then why did Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Alabama in 2011 play in the NC game? And if being in a conference was some kind of requirement, why aren't BYU, and Army and Navy in a conference?