Posted April 12, 2013

Brawl breaks out after Dodgers’ Zack Greinke plunks Padres’ Carlos Quentin

MLB

A massive brawl broke out between the Los Angeles Dodgers and San Diego Padres on Thursday night.

The Padres’ Carlos Quentin was up to bat with Zack Greinke on the mound for the Dodgers in the bottom of the sixth inning when Greinke plunked Quentin in the arm. Quentin didn’t appreciate getting hit (he leads the majors in hit-by-pitches since 2008) and charged the mound.

As the video shows, Greinke dropped his shoulder and the two began to wrestle as their teammates piled over them. Greinke appeared hurt from the impact and Chris Capuano came in to relieve him once the dust settled. The Dodgers later said Greinke fractured his left collarbone during the skirmish.

It is unclear if Greinke was officially ejected, since Capuano was given all the time he needed to warm up, which normally indicates a player left the game due to injury. Quentin, on the other hand, was ejected.

LEMIRE: Time to put an end to charging the mound

Everything appeared to be clear as the umpires gathered to discuss what to do and the field was cleared, but then the benches and bullpens emptied a second time when Dodgers outfielder Jerry Hairston Jr. rushed toward the Padres’ dugout. Hairston Jr. was also ejected.

Meanwhile, Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp was still upset and could be seen saying something to the umpires and teammate Andre Ethier. Kemp had been pitched up and in earlier in the game and, as the video shows, was irate throughout the whole ordeal. Some replays show he may have even put his hands on an umpire. If so, a long suspension is likely coming. Kemp was also ejected for participating in the scrum and Skip Schumaker came in to replace him in centerfield.

There’s a bit of history between Greinke and Quentin. Greinke plunked Quentin in 2009 while they were both in the American League with the Kansas City Royals and Chicago White Sox, respectively. A fight was narrowly avoided that time around because the home plate umpire stepped in between the two before things escalated.

The Dodgers would go on to win Thursday’s game 3-2.

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48 comments
CucamongaKing
CucamongaKing

Joke Dodgers.

 

Greinke retaliates for Kemp and the best Kemp get do is jaw.  Coward.

 

Mattingly has zero control over team.  HOW do you not know SD is coming out of the box AND let the pitcher with the fattest contract in MLB take a BLOCK like that.

RaySexauer
RaySexauer

I agree with Mattingly. Quentin shouldn't be allowed to play until Greinke can pitch.  Of course bud the used car salesman won;t have the guts to do what's right...

nongbua63
nongbua63

Quentin is a p&&sy - can't hit the ball, so he leans in and gets a free base. No way it is on purpose, being the tying run and late in the game - and barely nicked him... Quentin is just a p$$sy...

brighat
brighat

Give Greinke credit, he didn't back down to that oaf. He took him head on; it's possible that opening charge broke his collarbone. Quentin should be suspended until Greinke returns from the DL and be fined any salary during said suspension. I doubt that HBP even hurt Quentin and he usually leads the majors in that category. Total garbage.

lwayne
lwayne

There should be a minimum and automatic 50 game suspension for any batter that enters the dirt area of the mound.   Second offense would be a 162 game suspension.   Sound harsh?  It will end ALL charges onto the mound and will a suspension will probably never happen.  Many players are immature spoiled jerks that refuse  to grow up.   

ekvisto
ekvisto

What if MLB followed the NHL's lead and the crew let the pitcher and batter fight until stepping in was needed and first player other than those two to step in gets a 5 game suspension and anyone off the bench or bullpen gets 10-15 games?

ekvisto
ekvisto

What if MLB followed the NHL's lead and the crew let the pitcher and batter fight until stepping in was needed and first player other than those two to step in gets a 5 game suspension and anyone off the bench or bullpen gets 10-15 games.

TOE
TOE

OK Mr. Commissioner, now you have a player hurt for fighting.  It is time to suspend a number of them for at least half of the season.  Also, time to lift the ban on Pete Rose.

NeoSmith
NeoSmith

What a despicable display of WHITE man's fighting abilities!  I am thoroughly disgusted.  WTFFFFFFFFF.   Throw a GD punch!  These guys are like a bunch of girls.  Shameful! 

auronlu
auronlu

3-2 count, tied ballgame. SURE Grienke's gonna plug somebody. Somebody who happens to hold one very special and unique record in MLB: Greatest percentage of being hit by pitches IN HISTORY.

 

What a jerk. 

dt
dt

Someone needs to teach these guys how to fight.  Bring in Ronda Rousey since she's tougher than the entire MLB league.

aaronfarber9
aaronfarber9

stop using the word brawl when not a single punch is thrown.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @brighat This is why you can't just read about what happened. You have to watch the video above. The Pads pitcher threw one over Matt Kemp's head on an 0-2 count earlier in the game, and Greinke retaliated, as he should have. But Greinke did not innocently hit the man who leads the majors in HBP, as the copy would have you believe. He did it to protect a teammate. Why such hostility toward Quentin anyway? Should pitchers just be allowed to nail batters without any recourse for them. Let me ask you something brighat, how do you feel about fighting in hockey/NASCAR?

JohnP
JohnP

 @lwayne Yeah you moron and then just let the pitcher's tee of on the batter's because they know they won't get their a$$ kicked. 

ThePDFGhost
ThePDFGhost

 @ekvisto Then the pitcher would get hurt more often because the batter would have a running start at him. Also the dynamics of fighting on the ground are a lot different than on ice. Maybe you were joking though.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @TOE Overreaction. they don't happen everyday, and why do we only get thoughtful about fighting justice in baseball,  when someone who signed a huge contract and plays in a big market gets hurt.? Greinke not only hit Quetin, Grienke opened his mouth after Quetin took a few steps toward the mound. But everyone wants to punish him. Mark Moulder on ESPN right now trying to justify Greinke opening his mouth. Moulder is a joke. How many guys does Greinke walk? He's not a wild pitcher, Greinke has good control, he hit the guy on purpose to protect Matt Kemp, who had one go behind his head earlier in the game. Greinke did the right thing. He protected his player. But the fight happened because Greinke opened his mouth. If he would have just used his body language to say, "yeah, I hit you on purpose because you guys threw at Matt Kemp, and I'll do it again if I have to," the Pads would have had to accept that as the price they pay for throwing at Kemp. Plus, if you're going to open your mouth and possibly start a fight, you'd better KNOW how to fight.  Finally, the Dodges chose Quentin BECAUSE he gets hit more than anyone in baseball. It was the perfect cover for the duty Greinke had to carry out.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @auronlu The Dodgers had a one run lead. But if you don't believe that would happen in that situation, how do you explain Greinke, a pitcher with tremendous control, hitting a guy he's already hit on two other occassions on a 3-2 pitch? The pitch wasn't even close. the pads pitcher threw one at Kemp earlier in the game on an 0-2 pitch. It was clearly a message pitch. Kemp missed a lot of last year with that hamsting injury and there is no way the Dodger's, having spent all that off-season money, were going to be without him. They were not only telling the Pads to back off but the rest of the league. I'm betting the order came straight from Mattingly. the reaction from everyone today shows that Mattingly made the right choice. Very few people on this page even suspect Quetin's beaning was retaliation, and the main reason is Quentin's penchant for getting hit. That's and the fact that Quentin has a rep. as a hot head gives the Dodgers a perfect cover. No way Greinke misses by that much, as you say, on a 3-2 pitch. 

geeon1
geeon1

@auronlu The fact is Quentin turned into the pitch. then he got upset????

Ray1950
Ray1950

 @aaronfarber9 A brawl is defined as a "loud disagreement or fight" ... no punches are mentioned.

RaySexauer
RaySexauer

 @atthebarbershop  @brighat you seriously think he's throwing at a hitter in a one run game with I believe two strikes? You know about as much about the game as quentin does apparently. 

brighat
brighat

 @atthebarbershop I did not think the plunk deserved a charge. I doubt it hurt him. Just take your base that late in the game and if you want to retaliate, do it another time. It was unnecessary.

 

I actually think the NHL was in better shape before Gil Stein and Gary Bettman ruined the game. Back then, players respected each other and fights were part of the game to light a spark. Now, fights carry instigator penalties and people are getting injured on an almost daily basis.

jerry.chyo
jerry.chyo

 @atthebarbershop  You seem to assume a lot.  Are you in his head?  You can't make stupid statements like that as if they are the truth.  If you knew anything about baseball, you would know hitting the potential tying run on a full count in the last third of the game is not the time to retaliate.  This runner actually did tie the game.  Still think he did it on purpose?

 

Quentin's a knucklehead.  Crowd the plate like he does and he's going to get plunked.  Instead of throwing a tantrum like a 2 year old, he should take his base knowing he did his job.  He got on base.  Instead, he puffed up his chest and attacked someone for making a simple mistake.  I doubt it will happen, but I'd love to see this oaf get suspended without pay for 50 games.  This act is much more malicious than taking steroids.  He was trying to hurt someone.  And did.

SJBMusic
SJBMusic

They won't, because then their team comes up to bat next inning. I think calling it in the dirt area is a great idea - if the pitcher also charges off the mound (meeting part-way, off the dirt), it's a fair fight with nothing more than ejections for both.

 

Your argument to call lwayne a moron doesn't quite hold up.

lwayne
lwayne

 @JohnP wiping her mouth, your mamma said you were the moron. 

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @ThePDFGhost  @ekvisto What? When's the last time you saw a pitcher get steam-rolled? Usually the charger must slow down in order to deliver a punch.  Do boxer's attack their opponets by charging them? Why is everyone so pissed at fights in baseball, basketball, and football, but nonchalant about fighting in hockey?

ekvisto
ekvisto

 @ThePDFGhost  @ekvisto True that the batter would have a running start but he would have to slow/stop before the actual physical confrontation.  The umpires would only have to focus on the pitcher/batter so they should be able to step in quickly to get things back under some control.  It just seems that there needs to be a way to stop an additional 40 players from running in an getting involved.  Just a thought.

 

Nagurski
Nagurski

 @atthebarbershop  @TOE "why do we only get thoughtful about fighting justice in baseball,  when someone who signed a huge contract and plays in a big market gets hurt.?" Because those are the players that fans pay to see, and make the product more entertaining. A quality player getting taken out needlessly by an underachiever like Quentin is an injustice.

 

"Grienke opened his mouth..." Quentin is a hothead who throws himself into pitches and then gets all huffy about how he's getting hit. Greinke is supposed to keep listening to him spew nonsense, time after time, without reacting? Maybe in some ideal world, but in the heat of competition, not many people can take that without any reaction whatsoever. The idea that Grienke's reaction deserved a charge from Quentin is just idiocy.

 

"He protected his player." Nobody intentionally plugs someone in that game situation. Period.

aaronfarber9
aaronfarber9

 @Ray1950 fine then, title in the future should say dodgers padres loud disagreement.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @Ray1950  @aaronfarber9 perception is everything. How many times have you heard people use the word decimated when describing something that has been destroyed when 'deci' donotes a factor of one-tenth.

brighat
brighat

 @RaySexauer  - I don't know what's going on in the dugout. Early in the season, what does it matter?

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @brighat I just know they let people fight in Hockey, I don't know who is responsible. Ultimately, Quentin should have just gone to first. I'm not justifying what he did, but Greinke is not an innocent party. He did what he had to do to protect Kemp. Good for him. But like Quentin should have just taken his base, Greinke should have just kept his mouth closed. What Greinke did is part of baseball's unwritten rules. Despite being hit by Greinke two other times in the past, in this instance and according to the unwritten rules, Quentin should have understood he was beaned,  as you point out relatively harmlessly, in response to what happened to Kemp.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @mspd I don't think you can look at one thing and draw that conclusion. Second...anytime a player gets hit, the catcher has got to be prepared for the kind of reaction Quentin had last night. Ellis wasn't prepared whether this was intentional or not. Quentin didn't sprint out there.  He hesitated. Don't think Mattingly isn't pissed at Ellis for not stopping Quentin, 'cause he is.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how Greinke, who is 49 on the all-time active hit-by-pitch list, losses total control and nails this guy. Greinke is also 193 on the all time list in BB per nine innings. Not saying he couldn't have hit the guy accidentally, but Greinke's own stats suggest he has too much control to let that happen in THAT situation.

mspd
mspd

 @atthebarbershop  Okay, a counter point. Let's say the Dodgers did choose Carlos as the target. Why isn't Ellis jumping in between as soon as he was hit? I'll tell you why. Because there was no such directive! The catcher's reaction alone tells you it wasn't intentional.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @jerry.chyo I agree it is a stupid time to do it. But its also only the 8th or 10th game of the season. The Pads pitcher threw behind Kemp earlier in the game. Greinke was protecting Kemp. He did the right thing.

Now let's look at why this might have happened intenionally despite me being "stupid."

Greinke isn't wild. Look where that pitch was. I think its a stupid time to do that, but I also don't think Greinke misses by  that much. This is an emotional game. It was also the third time Greinke hit Quetin. As I said to someone earlier, the Dodgers CHOSE Quentin because of his penchant for getting hit. Now, the Dodgers have a perfect alibi, and we heard Mattingly refer to that following the game. How many times has Greinke hit a batter? Has he hit one other player more than one time? More than twice? No. Then, Greinke opened his mouth. Following the game, Quentin said he probably would not have charged the mound if Greinke would have kept his mouth shut. 

Also no need to personally insult someone. I like spirited conversations, but not name calling.

JohnP
JohnP

 @SJBMusic It does hold up. You more or less restated what I just said in your first sentence.

So you two are saying a batter can come all the way up to the dirt of the mound, but nothing else without getting suspended? Also assuming that the pitcher is just going to stand there as a 235 lb man comes running full speed at them?

 

You get the moron tag also. 

JohnP
JohnP

 @lwayne People who get smoked in these discussion boards typically are relegated to the clown-like mother joke. What you just did is nothing knew. In fact you just made yourself sound worse, but  you probably don't get it. 

BryanCustard
BryanCustard

 @JohnP  @atthebarbershop  @ThePDFGhost  @ekvisto It was more to the guys point that the pitcher always get smashed. Greinke definitely got the short end of that stick. I'd say the fights are 50-50 between pitchers and batters, depending on the entrants of course

JohnP
JohnP

 @atthebarbershop  @ThePDFGhost  @ekvisto In this case Greinke got steamrolled, so the timing of saying that may be true in general. but with a broken collarbone, it's kind of hard to stand behind that statement today.

BryanCustard
BryanCustard

 @atthebarbershop  @ThePDFGhost  @ekvisto in most of the notorious charges I have seen the pitcher typically wins. Nolan Ryan giving Robin Ventura a headlock, followed by six rabbit punches comes to mind. And, I think it was Farnsworth, but I'm really not sure, one pitcher I saw took the running start at the batter and speared the guy before he could get to the mound. I agree, one-on-one at the between batter and pitcher, any one that gets involved that is not an umpire/official gets 15 game suspension, if you exit the dugout or the bullpen 50 game suspension.

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @Nagurski  @TOE Clemens hit people all the time. He even threw a bat at Piazza in the World Series. How's that for putting a team in jeopardy in THE most important games of the season, the WS. So it does happen. Secondly, your clear hostility toward Quentin is preventing you from blaming anyone other than him. If Greinke had thrown an off speed pitch then the things you say, which sound enabled by talk radio, or ESPN would make more sense. But he threw a two seam fastball that tailed in to a hitter who, as you said earlier, (or maybe it was someone else) dives into pitches. At the very least, Greinke knew the possibility of hitting Quentin by throwing that particular pitch, was a good one.

And remember the pitch to Kemp was around his head. Based on his reaction during the scrum, Kemp was still pissed off about that. Do you think its out of the question that Matt was demanding the Dodgers respond that night? I'm not relying on any one thing for my theory. But if you look at the fact that Greinke doesn't walk or hit a lot of people, and that Kemp, who was hurt last year, was almost hit earlier in the game, it seems to me more than likely Greinke meant to hit the guy, but didn't expect he'd break something as a result. For the record, I not only played competitive baseball I coached. The best way to retaliate is to do it in a way that no one would suspect it, and based on what people are writing on this page about this incident, the Dodgers did an exellent job in retaliating, but Ellis didn't do his job.

mspd
mspd

 @atthebarbershop  You act like Greinke's control is infallible. He HAS walked batters before, y'know....

Nagurski
Nagurski

 @atthebarbershop  @TOE  Quentin has a minor-league record for HBP in a season. Yes, HBPs are a big part of his game. It's fair to call a guy who once broke his own hand by slamming it in anger against his bat after he took a bad swing a hothead, dont'cha think? You have never played competitive baseball if you think  Greinke is trying to drill a guy in that situation. You don't put your team in jeopardy of losing a game like that to send a message. There are plenty of times and places to send messages to a team in your own division. This wasn't it.

 

Greinke is a human being, not a machine. You say anything is possible, why isn't it possible one got a little away from him, with an idiot leaning out over the plate? It doesn't matter what you believe. Quentin charged the mound. He's a whiner who can't control himself. 

 

Who the hell is Clemons, and what does he have to do with any of this?

atthebarbershop
atthebarbershop

 @Nagurski  @TOE What? You mean Clemons never intentionally hit anybody. Why do you have the smart/ability to see that Quentin "throws himself into pitches," but do not use the same thought proess with Greinke.  He has enough control not to miss by that much in a game situation. Plus, he's hit the guy twice before. This makes number three. So while it wasn't a smart thing to do, given his control, and their history, I believe Greinke did hit Quentin on purpose. He did it to protect his own player. Whether the Pads pitcher meant to throw behind Kemp's head or not, the Dodgers had to send a message that they would not tolerate it. The Dodgers might have made the playoffs last year had Kemp been healthy. Quentin should have realized that Greinke did that only to protect his player. Quentin shoud have just taken his base. Similarly, Grenke should have kept his mouth shut. He just hit a guy, who you say "is a hothead." To paraphrase what you wrote, is Quentin supposed to sit there and listen to a guy who just threw at him? As for the game situation, you're right it was unusal. But there is no such thing as never. (Hunter Pence's bat hit a ball three different times in one swing in the WS last year)

you mustn't allow your dislike for Quentin influence how you think about the situation. Not a good place in the game to hit a batter, but no way Greinke misses by that much to a guy he has hit two other times, AND needing to do something to protect Kemp. Just like Quentin's emotions got the best of him and caused him not to think about what he was doing, Greinke also let emotions get the best of him.

JohnP
JohnP

 @atthebarbershop  @Ray1950  @aaronfarber9 Decimated: a: To reduce drastically in numbers

b: to cause great destruction or harm to

c: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of

 

While what you said about "deci" is true, you must look at the definition of the word as well.