Report: Jennifer Capriati arrest warrant sought

 DamionMosher

Ok, Damion, sorry, but what you think you see wrong has nothing to do with facts, except in one point. Addressing point for point:

1) He *is* bigger and stronger than her. And the vast majority of average men and average women are in similar ratio, also. Fact of nature. Plus there's another side. Check the statistics: how many cases of women raping men, or physically abusing men, actually occur? It's so small as to be nothing more than a minor statistical bilp. It's just human "nature", or physiology, or evolution, or whatever you want to call it. Mostly, men physically take advantage of women (financially, mentally, emotionally, etc., other cases can be made, but that's a debate for another time). 

2) It has nothing to do with privacy. Guys get hit with fists, feet, 95mph fast balls, all in front of tens of thousands of people. It's called "sport". Movies are filmed with people beating the living crap put of each other (Aside: I was watching "The Talk" over my daughter's shoulder yesterday, and Carrie Ann Moss was on, describing how she got the part in the "Matrix" movies, *because* she was the only one who *didn't* know to pull her punches in auditions, and was actually *beating* on the other people in audition fight scenes. She finally realized that the other people were putting on more and more pads, because they weren't *expecting* to actually get hit. The director *loved* it! She got the part based on that. Millions watched her hit people. She's yet to be arrested for it.) The issue is not privacy. The issue is CONSENT. And there are even levels of consent. Does the batter consent to have the fastball pitch thrown at his head? Hell, no! They will usually go out and try to beat the living crap out of the pitcher, and all their teammates join in the melee! Did anyone really want this? No. Is anyone arrested? No. Why? Because they're all adults, and nobody wants to press charges. "It's part of the game." They may even have signed contracts to that effect. I'm curious to know exactly what the contracts contain, and whether you can legally give up your right to prosecute for assault, but that's a debate for another time. Nonetheless, for some couples, "it's part of the game," as well.

3) Untold numbers of men and women ENJOY this sort of treatment and engage in it for pleasure. Check out any BDSM website. It's too easy to find, frankly. One person ties up, chains up, clamps down, hangs upside down, holds under water, spanks, whips, beats on, spits on, urinates on, ejaculates on, applies electric shocks to, intrudes into the body of (with all manner of natural and artificial body parts and other objects, to extreme sizes and shapes, including meathooks and fishhooks), slaps, strikes, calls all manner of filthy vile things, and has intercourse in every conceivable orifice of, another person. The "victim" NEVER LIFTS A FINGER IN REPRISAL in many cases, but in some cases DOES FIGHT BACK, loudly and violently, even, protesting, begging, screaming, crying, hitting, etc. Bruises are left, blood is drawn, people urinate themselves, and choke until they vomit. Some people LIVE caged up and in a state of total submission for YEARS, even paraded in public in dog collars (and in some states, little else!) or hitched to a cart with "master" riding in it. They even FILM it (what more proof could you want?!) and sell it to millions, or even post for free, just to brag! Yet it's perfectly legal. Why? Mutual CONSENT. If consent were not involved, it would be another Jaycee Lee Dugard case, with prosecution for kidnapping, false imprisonment, rape, sexual assault of every kind, assault and battery, assault with potential for great bodily harm, obscenity, torture, deprivation, neglect, you name it. But because a "safe word' was never given, then what appears to be rape and downright torture, nobody cares about except a few prudes. Whether this is good for society, or if the prudes are right, is a debate for another time. IT'S LEGAL, AND IT'S NOT ASSAULT, IT'S MUTUAL CONSENT.

4) Here you are correct, and sadly so. We have removed the right of the woman to consent, in certain situations. It's her body, right? Apparently not. If the woman CONSENTS to living that way (see point 3) why should it be anybody's business? How can you press assault charges when nobody feels assaulted? Who is pressing the charges? The state, on behalf of the person? This is necessary when a person cannot speak for themselves, such as in murder, or a minor, and the legal presumption is that they wouldn't consent to be treated this way. But, not when they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves. If you do this, you have removed the right of the "victim" to be a free adult. Why is it that when it comes to aborting a pregnancy, or living in a sexually-charged Dominant-submissive relationship, the woman's consent is her own, but when it comes to merely arguing with her spouse, with no sex involved, she's suddenly not capable of speaking for herself, or determining what level of confrontation she is willing to endure? A woman is not a child, and should be just free to consent to anything a man can consent to, including being struck. To say anything else is to make women second-class citizens, incapable of making decisions for themselves.

5) The man has every right to protection if he is actually threatened with physical harm, or if he reasonably feels he is being assaulted, or reasonably fears actual harm, whether his assailant is a man or a woman. The key word here is "reasonably”. Scenario: I have a best friend since middle school. If we are having a drink, or just talking, and my friend, in anger or perhaps just agitation, punches me in the arm, bruising me, do I not have the right to forgive my friend? Should my friend be arrested because a bystander saw it? Perhaps the greatest measure of friendship I can offer is an arm to punch, to help my friend either avoid another action that would cause serious trouble, or just to feel better for having done it. It is my arm to offer to my friend, and nobody else's business. More tangled scenario: you are walking down the street. You are distracted, and trip on a crack in the sidewalk, and stumble into a person of equal size to yours, and jab that person with your elbow. The person pushes you back, and says, "Get out of my face, &^%$#, or I'll &^%$# punch your face in!" Is what occurred here "assault"? On either part? How do you think a police officer viewing the entire encounter would react? Would he arrest either one? I've left the scenarios completely sexless. Does it really make a difference if it is two men, two women, a man and a woman, or a woman and a man? Should it? The treatment of women in civilization hangs in the balance of your answer. Now, back to the story, none of this may apply in this situation. After all, it seems her actions were willful, not accidental, though an argument might be made that she was provoked. Also, his reactions and/or wishes are not reported here. This story makes it seem as if it is only because the yoga instructor called the police that charges have been brought, and it is on that basis that most of the people here, yourself included, Damion, are making your arguments. *My* sole argument is that most are jumping to the conclusion that Ms. Capriati should be arrested for assault purely on the basis that a yoga instructor saw her hit him. That is entirely unreasonable. The wishes, and consent, of the parties involved are all that matters. Otherwise, we've ceased to be adults and free people.

"my mother hit me once .... ONCE!"

 cdjtiger Bad advice.  It will get worse over time.  Men are not disposable, so they should not act like it.  A person has the right to defend themselves regardless of WHO it is.  If you think the law or police are biased then work to change it but don't tell Men that they should take a beating.

 cdjtiger You should be beaten for your spelling - and that's 'ah' fact...

 cdjtiger

 It was the rope a dope

 jmrkvicka2011 so hitting someone is OK??  what if it was a man hitting a woman in the chest.  Maybe that's how you treat your wife (or husband), but GET A CLUE.  HITTING IS NOT OK.  OKAY??

 quotedfortruth  jmrkvicka2011 quoted, haven't you ever hit on a woman ... not that there's anything wrong with "that" . . .

 quotedfortruth  jmrkvicka2011

 "Hitting is not ok". Therefore, every boxer in the country should be under arrest. Every martial arts competitor, football player, baseball pitcher (heck the whole team when they get in a fight!), and any other contact sport, and every practitioner of S&M, bondage, whatever. There are thousands of situations where it is "ok" to hit someone, as long as the person being hit is a willing participant. Were they stupid for taking their argument public? Absolutely. Should she be under arrest? Only if *he* wants to press charges. And if he does, he's a d*ck. Men are physiologically larger and stronger than woman. Fact of Biology, evolution, whatever you want to call it. Women need the protection from a man. A man doesn't, unless he feels in a particular situation that he truly is in danger of actual harm. It's up to him to decide.

 A.Nonamus Do you always go off and rants when the original intent of the statement was obvious? quotedfortruth clearly was referring to spousal abuse, not two people willfully hitting each other in physical sports.

 Jeremy15  A.NonamusNo, Jeremy, I merely included those in a lengthy list of times when people can legally hit each other, to point out that there are indeed times when people can do so, some even in public! It seems clear to me that the poster is saying HITTING IS NOT OK for anyone, man or woman, ever. I also mentioned S&M/Bondage practitioners, as well, yet you conveniently skip over that. What is the difference in a couple practicing S&M (including spanking, slapping, striking with belts, whips, and paddles, pinching, clamping, choking, etc., all while saying the most vile things to each other, and often hard enough to leave marks and bruises or even bleed) and a couple who mutually consents to 'fight' in a physical manner? The key here is 'consent'. It's the same concept as in the sport. If you consent to the activity, it's not illegal, and at levels far exceeding a weaponless punch to the chest of a much larger person. Ever been hit in the head by a 95 mph fast ball? On purpose? Happens all the time. Furthermore, as to your claim of spousal abuse, they are not spouses. They are just two people who are aquainted in some manner of their choosing who are arguing. If my friend and I argue loudly and arm-punch each other, but neither wishes to press charges, why is it anyone's business?

 jmrkvicka2011 She's 5'7" and 160 lbs. Poor little Ivan couldn't handle her fury. It's funny how this story fails to mention that another of Ivan's ex-girlfriends said he makes a practice of calling the police. Christine Corley,  the ex-girlfriend of Ivan Brannan, said that he had previously accused her of assaulting him.  Sooooo it sounds like Ivan is someone to stay far far away from. Big Bad Jen punched him in the chest and he escaped to the locker room. I don't condone physical assault but I wonder what is going on with him and his girlfriends.

 JaneSmith2  jmrkvicka2011 Or maybe it means that women are nuts and believe themselves immune to assault charges.

 realetybytes You sound a lot like Lance Armstrong.  "Let's bully this guy in the courts for doing his civic duty because it's not what I think he should have done."  If anything, it's Capriati's immaturity and recklessness that will cost the taxpayer.

 Rocky5 Tell us about your past.

 6marK6 Sure I did drugs when I was 20. Now retired in Malibu at 45 yr.old.Yes I made money and didn't BLOW it on Drugs.

Rocky5

 Yeah... retired in Malibu at 45 and yet you're writing comments about Jennifer Capriati in the SI forum?!?

If you were truly retired at 45, you'd be too busy boning your trophy wife to spend much time trolling the web...

 GaloofvonDorkmeister  Rocky5  Sorry Dork, But what do you want me to do with my spare time I can only surf and bike soo much btw I also play video games and b-ball.  All three of my boy's went to Malibu high. P.S. do you hate you're life so much you diss people doing better then you?

 Rocky5  GaloofvonDorkmeister  Rocky5.  GaloofvonDorkmeister. Wow - 45 and all 3 of your kids are already thru high school?   And you're rich enough to be retired already?!?  Teach me what you've done to get your life on such an accelerated fast track, 'cause I ain't nowhere close, and I'm all ears!  Seriously - I'm not being sarcastic, just always willing to listen and learn.  (I mean, technically, I'm also "well-prepped," but I hardly consider myself retired as the "flow" --mostly-- ain't of my own making).

 TikkiPunnko1925  GaloofvonDorkmeisterI'm married my beautiful wife and she has three boys from a previous husband.  I think of them as my own. I'm semi-retired.  I don't want to retire  I'm just working on something new.

 rocky5 =loser because he's trying to validate his life to a stranger on a forumRocky5  TikkiPunnko1925  GaloofvonDorkmeister 

 KeJo  Rocky5  TikkiPunnko1925  GaloofvonDorkmeister @KeJo  Really!!!!  6471 Zuma view pl. is my address. I have nothing to hide! I live a charmed life. U seem unhappy with that comment. Like life kinda screwed u.

Rocky5 ... I'm working on something new too.  Can you spare a Zig Zag?

@GaloofvonDorkmeister @Rocky5

@GaloofvonDorkmeister.

She'll grip you and swing you around like a Wilson racquet.

 Gary Seaton Likely Sicilian.  Must be that "Moorish" gene... :-D

 TikkiPunnko1925  Gary Seaton  are you the Gary Seaton of Leavenworth KS ??

 David141 Great post, David.