Posted February 21, 2013

Tim Tebow backs out of Church appearance amid ‘new information’

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New York Jets quarterback Tim Tebow cancelled an appearance with the First Baptist Church of Dallas amid "new information" that was brought to his attention. (Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

New York Jets quarterback Tim Tebow cancelled an appearance with the First Baptist Church of Dallas amid “new information” that was brought to his attention. (Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

New York Jets quarterback Tim Tebow took to Twitter on Thusday morning to announce that he is cancelling a speaking engagement with the First Baptist Church of Dallas in light of “new information that has been brought to my attention.”

It’s unclear what the “new information” is that caused him to back out of the April 28 appearance. As the Dallas Morning News points out, the Church is led by Dr. Robert Jeffress who has been known for making controversial comments:

Jeffress has been outspoken against homosexuality, said Islam and Mormonism are “heresy from the pit of hell” and tied Catholicism to “a Babylonian mystery religion” that corrupted the early Christian church.

But Jeffress contends it is simply his job to preach what he believes the Bible says is the truth:

“I think as pastors we have a duty to preach ‘the whole counsel of God,’ and not just discuss those that are politically correct. It’s my role to speak clearly on the issues on which the Bible speaks clearly. It’s my role to preach what the Bible says, and that includes the controversial issues. [T]he reason for this firestorm is not because the word of God has changed. It’s because society has changed.”

A rep of the Church gave TMZ a little more color as to why they think Tebow cancelled on them:

“We are saddened that Mr. Tebow felt pressure to back out of his long-planned commitment from numerous New York and national sports and news media who grossly misrepresented past comments made by our pastor, Dr. Robert Jeffress, specifically related to issues of homosexuality and AIDS, as well as Judaism.”


53 comments
mijomi
mijomi

This guy is preaching the old time Baptist (hate everyone but themselves and sometimes themselves too) religion.  

Kevin D.
Kevin D.

"You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.

If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;

I will choose a path that's clear-

I will choose Free Will."

 

Rush "Free Will"

 

The cause of most of the death and destruction in the history of the world can be attributed to religion. i.e. my god is better than your god. I find many religious people to be narrow minded, uneducated and of low tolerance to other people of differing religions. Again, a case of my god is better than your god. Reminiscent  of children in grade school with the "my dad can beat up your dad". Religion still has its place in the world but that is only in the history books for humanity to look back on and say "how stupid were we back then". The modern world has no need for old time religion as science has overtaken the backward views and attitudes of the uneducated humanity.

 

I rely on no "celestial voice" to govern my actions.

I take responsibility for my actions and decisions in this life.

Religion is just an opinion. Charismatic people throughout history have swayed the uneducated, the desperate, the downtrodden, the underprivileged and the racist toward their own personal views and opinions.

 

There is no "proof" confirming the existence of any deity, no more than there is any "proof" of the existence of alien visitors and UFOs. Frankly, I would be more inclined to believe in the existence of ET than a god. In fact, I would be more inclined to believe that the deities of religion were, in fact, alien visitors to this planet in historical times.

 

"I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Free Will."

Realistic29
Realistic29

Sadly, Christianity has become a religion of hatred.  Hate gays because they do things we don't think they should be doing. Hate other religions because our religion is the one true religion. Hate scientists doing embryonic stem cell research because it goes against what we believe in. Hate abortionists, hate this hate that. Everyone who does not believe in what we believe in will burn in the imaginary fires of hell. Whatever happened to live and let live?

Realistic29
Realistic29

God was created by man in his own image to help us overcome our fear of death. We created god in our own image because we don't want our god to be radically different from us, such as the Great and All Knowing Flying Spaghetti Monster. But the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as real as god.

JasonMacBride
JasonMacBride

Timmy needs to focus all his energy on finding a CFL or NFL team that needs someone to block for the punter. His career in pro football is on very shaky ground.

cybergrace
cybergrace

Whether or not one believes in God, I think most folks would recognize this action by Tim to be positive-- emphasizing not a God of punishment and judgement, but one who is patient, kind and other-focused... yeah, like "Love."  Thanks, Tim.  ;-) 

The Dude
The Dude

Wonder if Tim will realize that the platform of God is overflowing with crazies like this Jeffress idiot. It can't help but be so when the platform is built upon the belief in a long-dead person talking to people and a book written but ancient nomads.

Dana2
Dana2

Timmah! is smart enough to know he shouldn't soil his "brand" while it is still somewhat lucrative.

HossStyle
HossStyle

I look foward to the day when a story like this involving Tebow isn't on the sports page.  Leave this stuff to TMZ or whomever covers stuff like this.  I'm all Tebow'd out.

 

Call me when he does something sports related.

M as in Mancy
M as in Mancy

This is a smart move. Finally his management team is connected to reality. Tebow is a great guy, and I hope he's starting to surround himself with better people.

KingHill
KingHill

Sweny:  Do you believe in judgement?  If God is just he will judge us all.  Those who die without Christ will suffer forever in a lake of fire.  That is simply Biblical.  Those who accept Christ's death as payment for their sins will live forever with God.  Christ is either God, The Way, The Truth,  and the Life or He is not.  He said "Before Abraham was born I Am."  You can't have it both ways.  He was God or a complete nut.  How is stating that hateful?  Is it not more hateful to know your neighbor is going to suffer forever, with no hope of getting out, and failing to warn him? 

Sweny
Sweny

I don't know what bible this pastor is reading and quoteing from, but my bible reads " Judge ye not lest you be judged. To condemn anothers faith I don't think is written anywhere. As for Judaism, Christ himself was a Jew and I haven't found anywhere in the bible that says to hate or condemn them. Christ teaches love, compassion, and tolerance. He also teaches us to despise sin but love the sinner for he or  she is our brother and sister. All believers sin and that is why we shold pray for forgiveness. I think this preacher has been misguilded somewhere in his life and has now come to preach hate and intolerance. I don't feel this is the right course to take if your truly searching for the right path to our heavenly father. This preacher needs our prayers and forgiveness. I pray that our lord and savior Jesus Christ will forgive him and set him on the right path' AMEN.

MeatCzar
MeatCzar

 @Kevin D.  You seen the lead singer lately?  That is one homely dude

tekwrite
tekwrite

 @Realistic29 Sorry BUB, but Christianity is the most tolerant religion on earth. Jesus raised the status of women from that of second class property but you dont hear the feminists praising him. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Some have been forgiven is all. I laugh at your calling it hateful!

tekwrite
tekwrite

 @Realistic29 God is not mocked; remember that about one millisecond after your brain waves cease my friend.

paulhurteau
paulhurteau

 @Realistic29 Hey, The GREAT and ALL KNOWING Spagettis Monster is not to be made fun of,,,

 

Don't make me call for a Jihad of meatballs,,,

Realistic29
Realistic29

And the Great Flying Spahhetti Monster also tastes better with a good sauce and grated cheese.

stabmasterarson21
stabmasterarson21

 @cybergrace So let's avoid anything which might hurt someone else's feelings?  Uh, no thanks.  I have no problem w/ what the Dallas minister said.  At least he has convictions and is obviously not a politician.

Realistic29
Realistic29

 @KingHill

 Another radical right wing nut job. Do you realize that if you were born Jewish you wouldn't be talking about Christ? If you were born in Asia you would not be talking about heaven and hell, but about reincarnation? Do you know that the bible you are quoting is roughly the tenth version of the bible written since the time of christ? All other previous bibles are said to be corrupted and untrue by the current christian churches? Don't you wonder why if god is all knowing, he has had to be involved in ten different bibles and still can't get it right? To answer your question. He was a complete nut. We created god in our image because we dislike the possibility of dying and nothing good happening after death such as reincarnation or heaven and we need to manufacture hope. It's our pathetic way of dealing with death.

texasken
texasken

 @Sweny Through most of history, the most-quoted verse in the Bible was, "for God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."  In our day, "judge not lest ye be judged" has replaced it.  That verse is taken completely out of context by people like you.  In many places in the Bible, we are told to be aware that the world is evil, to discern false practices and false religions, and most importantly, the spread the good news of Christ's redeeming love.  We ARE to judge, and to figure out what is false and what is true, and to warn the unbelievers of their fate if they don't accept Christ.

 

All religions claim that heaven (or something like heaven) is the reward for believers, and all others are condemned.  Therefore, all religions are mutually exclusive.  Only one can be right.  Christianity is the most loving, forgiving, and tolerant of all religions.  It is the only one in which God sought to reach mankind, instead of laying down a set of rules and requiring mankind to earn God's favor.

 

The Bible doesn't teach us to hate or condemn anyone, but to love everyone as Christ loves us.  If someone knew the cure for cancer, would it be loving to withhold that information lest he be criticized as being intolerant of others' disease?  Of course not.  In the same way, Christians hold the key to eternal life in the presence of God, and it is more loving to share this information than to keep it a secret.

chris77
chris77

 @Sweny He's reading from the Bible where Jesus say's I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father, except through me. And I would suggest that you look further into what the Bible teaches about "judging" because it never says that you can't judge, in fact it commands to judge righteously. And if you want to know where judaism is condemned, read Hebrews. We are no longer under the old covenant but under the new. Love is not watering down the truth, as you seem to think it is. Love is sharing the truth, in hopes that the Holy Spirit will open up hearts. Do you believe that Jesus is the only way, yes or no? If so, where do people go that are not in Christ? Ask yourself that question, and then ask if you care enough to tell them. 

ivy
ivy

 @tekwrite  @Realistic29 Most tolerant?  Sure, Jesus was, not his followers.  A case in point is how the Catholic church continues to treat women as second-class citizens.  Nowadays, "christian" and "tolerant" do not go together. Try "righteous".

paulhurteau
paulhurteau

 @stabmasterarson21  @cybergrace I have a lot of problems with what the minister say's, but, like you pointed out, he is at least not backing away from it and owns it,, unlike Timmy.

quietus28
quietus28

 @texasken  @Sweny

Nice built-in mechanisms you have there for being judgmental and forcing your religion on others, much like Christianity was forced on the Romans when Constantine converted and forced it upon the whole of the empire (imagine the State today trying to force a religious belief system upon the populace; I doubt it would go well). Thankfully not every religion is like that, else there would be even more religious strife and intolerance in the world.

 

Your religious education seems to be sorely lack, so a few points are in order:

 

"All religions claim that heaven (or something like heaven) is the reward for believers, and all others are condemned."

 

Wrong. Buddhism doesn't speak of heaven, condemn other religions, or reward followers, other than giving them the gift of being able to think freely and open-minded.

 

"Therefore, all religions are mutually exclusive."

 

No. Again, refer to Buddhism, among other various religions not part of the Big 3 (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism). Not only that, a lot of the people who practice these beliefs also recognize or practice elements of other religions/beliefs, much like early Christianity assimilated much of the pagan beliefs of the time.

 

"Only one can be right."

 

No, actually none have to be right.

 

"Christianity is the most loving, forgiving, and tolerant of all religions."

 

Not by a long shot, sorry. As exhibited in this little thread, there is little love, tolerance, or forgiveness in Christianity. Since you guys want to get all Biblical, why not complain that we're no longer allowed slaves, since the Bible clearly outlines their proper treatment, as well as the ability to have your children put to death should they disobey. Yeah, lot of love and tolerance in that message. Buddhism and a host of other religions easily have Christianity beat when it comes to love, forgiveness, tolerance, and compassion. (although you seem oblivious to any beliefs beyond the "big 3"). Your ignorance about other religions would be astounding were it not countenanced by your ignorance of your own.

 

As for your hypotheticals, morality has nothing to do with religion. As pointed out above, Christianity condemns children to death for speaking back to their parents, and instructs on the proper methods for beating your slaves. Half the 10 commandments have to do with the proper worship of god, not things like rape, slavery, child abuse, etc. So yes, if someone discovered a cure for cancer, it would be morally wrong, but that has nothing to do with your religion.

 

And no, I'm not Buddhist.

EricWelsh
EricWelsh

 @texasken  @Sweny Through most of proven, scientific history of this world, no written texts or forms of languages even existed. ^_^

tekwrite
tekwrite

 @chris77  @Sweny I LOVE how heathen folk pull that verse out of the Bible. Its true only God can judge and He will. Oh and its Bible with a capital "B".

kirklf
kirklf

 @chris77  Do you honestly believe the stuff you are spewing out here chris77? First of all. the Bible DOES say,"Judge not, that ye not be judged," whether you like it or not. And second of all, who, or should it be Who, ever gave you the right to believe that you could EVER know enough about ANY situation to be able to judge it righteously? And, thirdly, your last comment about Judaism is just ignorant and anti-Semitic. Please enlighten us further so we can see more evidence of your religious stupidity.

 

Staz
Staz

 @ivy     @tekwrite  @Realistic29 Christianity shouldn't be classified as  "hateful" because Dr. Robert Jeffress chooses to say something. His views don't reflect those of all Christians with Tebow obviously being one of them. Plus righteous is defined as "(of a person or conduct) Morally right or justifiable; virtuous." so I'm not sure what you were going for there. Maybe you meant "self-righteous."

quietus28
quietus28

 @SelfRidge  @Realistic29 I wouldn't know, better call Saul on that one. Most likely the reason anyone chooses to abandon one religion for another.

 

I would need to see some actual, verifiable, physical proof of a god's existence. Preferably said god in person (in deity?).

 

Sure, if there was a god, I'd love to know. It would be nice to settle things once and for all, and people can abandon all these ridiculous religious beliefs. I certainly hope it isn't the petty, egomaniacal, and childish god that is portrayed by Christians, though. I would hope for a being that is more pragmatic and open-minded. I know there are mere mortals that are more tolerant and open-minded than the god of the Bible.

SelfRidge
SelfRidge

 @quietus28 

I apologize for not being thorough and going back to the post with old testament references to see that it was @Realistic29 not you.

 

Jesus is talking about the law.  If he was talking about the punishment for lawbreakers we would all be dead.  Not everything in the OT is law.  Paul does not claim that human slavery is good.  He just says be content with where you are because you now serve Higher Power.  But he also said if you can gain your freedom, do it.   The breakup of the family is not because Jesus does it, but because choosing Him will cause others in the family to distance (or worse) .  Would you condemn your brother, sister or any other member of your family if they chose to believe?

 

 I will admit that many human beings have done terrible things in the name of God, including many so-called Christians.  I will further admit that I have not always acted consistently with my beliefs.  That fault does not fall on Jesus, just me.

 

I thought very much like you until my eyes were opened.   I have had many conversations with my son about this topic.  He is also very much like you.

 

I would ask you the three questions I have asked him.

 

Saul of Tarsus was a persecutor/killer of early Christians.  What would cause a rising superstar of the Jewish Sanhedrin to reject his religion and choose Jesus?



What would you need to happen for you to believe?

 

Would you really want it to happen?

quietus28
quietus28

 @SelfRidge Actually I believe I made that quite clear myself which references were Old Testament. So you're saying that doesn't count anymore? That no longer counts as the word of God? Because if you are, Jesus might disagree with you, since he seemed to think the Old Testament still applied (which I also pointed out). I also pointed out some NT quotes that clearly show calls to violence, endorsing slavery, etc.

 

There are only 2 reasons I can think for the world to be speeding toward violent confrontation, as you put it: 1) the rich hoarding all the wealth, leading to a revolution similar to France in the late 1700s, or 2) religious nutjobs that constantly insist the end times are approaching and have no problem forcing their views and actions on others.

 

I do not get your point at all about the source, and since we're likely to disagree about it anyway, I'm not sure I care.

SelfRidge
SelfRidge

 @quietus28 

I do not question God's right or authority to do anything He wants.  I would point out that your references are all from the Old Testament.  Jesus has been given the final authority to save and his commandments are to love God with all your mind, heart, strength and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.  Can anyone logically refute these two commandments as being good to follow? (Please don't use the sociopath, psychopath, serial killer (or any other abberation) argument against loving as yourself).  You have blinders on if you can't see that the world is speeding toward a seriously violent confrontation.  That alone should give you pause.

 

The source may matter for one to accept or reject the statement's veracity.  No matter what the source, the statement is either true or false. 

quietus28
quietus28

 @SelfRidge  @Realistic29  @bobbyburke83 I believe you are the one questioning his authority, since you seem to completely ignore or neglect the many, many passages that clearly show your god ordering people to be killed or enslaved for various reasons.

 

Oh, and yes, the source of the book matters. Particularly if it's a bunch of people in power who get to determine what stays and what doesn't, and create passages from whole cloth.

paulhurteau
paulhurteau

 @bobbyburke83  @SelfRidge Yes,,, but the Book Suess does not suggest evil, nor have any of the Suess followers that I know of commit evil upon others,, so which book TRULEY is the book of peace and love,,, Not to mention Green Egg's and Ham??

paulhurteau
paulhurteau

 @SelfRidge  @DanPaslawski See, I'm not wortried because I will not be standing in front of "The God I IMPUNE"!

 

IF there is a heaven,, It's pretty much going to be like the Keg parties I miss so much,

 

And if all they have is harp music,, I want to get where ever Jimmi Hendrix went,,, NOW THAT WOULD BE HEAVEN!!!

 

Oh, and Marijuana would be legal so I could get into my "Meditation" frame of mind on.

 

I would love to smoke a fat one with JC!

 

how cool would that be?

 

 

 

 

SelfRidge
SelfRidge

 @Realistic29 @bobbyburke83 

Sorry, but I said real Christians.  Real Christians do not murder.   Both of your responses indicate that you consider your individual intellects greater than God's.  At the very least you question His authority.  Doesn't matter what the source of the book is.  The quote exists and is either true or false.  I accept it as true, you obviously accept it as false.  I don't think either one of you is an idiot, but it doesn't really matter what I think.  I am sad that you are so deceived.  Guess that's the difference between you and this nutjob.

 @Realistic29 

I agree with one thing you said.  Religion is a sinkhole.  Following Christ is not a religion.  It is a commitment to love God and Neighbor.  Religionists have polluted the message.

bobbyburke83
bobbyburke83

 @SelfRidge Yeah but your quoting a work of fiction. It is said in the divine book One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish by the great Dr. Suess that there is not one but two fish AND and a red and blue fish. Stupid ass sentence right? Probably think to yourself what an idiot I am right? well thats how I view you religious nutjobs

Realistic29
Realistic29

 @SelfRidge

 Christians have killed nonbelievers for eons. Here in America Christians can no longer get away with murdering nonbelievers so they take a different approach. Just damning to hell others such as gays and anyone else who doesn't follow religious dogma.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

 

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

 

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

 

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

 

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

 

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

 

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

 

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

 

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

 

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

 

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

 

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

 

Yep....Christianity....a religion of peace....NOT

SelfRidge
SelfRidge

Most religions in the world... really proves your point. Stupidity does reign supreme.  You will just have a lot of company.  Real Christians are not similar to Muslims.  We do not advocate killing people just because they don't believe as we do.  We don't condemn you, you condemn yourselves.  I would rather you all be saved.  Jesus is quoted in John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by Me. "  That statement is either true or it's false.  Believing it is false is a sinkhole.  Please reconsider your "the earth is flat" belief while you still can.

Realistic29
Realistic29

 @SelfRidge  @DanPaslawski

 OMG.....SelfRidge is a complete idiot. Most religions in the world don't consider Christ to be the son of god. Just because your mommy and daddy told you so, does not make it real. The religious Christian right is made up of a bunch of uneducated boobs, very similar to the religious right Muslims. Stupidity reigns supreme.

mandude
mandude

Dan, 

bet you can your mind before you die,

quietus28
quietus28

 @SelfRidge  @DanPaslawski Not a very good analogy. A sinkhole can be seen and verified objectively. And as pointed out earlier, you could be completely wrong about your beliefs. You could be worshipping the wrong god all this time, and we could easily turn around and try to make you see the light, and beg that you wake up before it's too late.

 

There have literally been thousands of gods worshipped throughout human history, and you believe in none of them save one. I just believe in one less.

SelfRidge
SelfRidge

 @DanPaslawski  

It does not matter a whit, what you say or think.  It only matters what is.  When you stand before the God you impune and give account for your disobedience and rebellion, you will reap the reality of what you have sown.  I pray that you will open your eyes and ears before that time.  Anyone who thinks that the Lake of Fire is a laughing matter is a fool.   If I warn you that there is a sink hole in the middle of the road and you ignore the warning and drive to your death, you, not I, own the responsibility for the result.  God has warned you of the sink hole.  His son willingly sacrificed his life so that you would not have to pay the deserved price for your disobedience and rebellion.   Time is short, please wake up.

quietus28
quietus28

 @Loren  @texasken  @Sweny I think half a billion Buddhists would disagree, and you could make the same argument about Christianity if you want to get ticky tacky like that. They have places of worship as well as organized worship. And there are plenty outside of Christianity that don't view Christ as a deity, nor do their religions require a deity to exist, but rather a prophet or teacher (similar to the role Buddha played). Christianity is the only religion to make the claim that their prophet is divine.

And I don't understand the point of including the old Testament when it comes to Christianity if none of it matters. Sure seems to matter when they want to justify their anti-gay views. Besides, there are references to slavery in the New Testament, too. In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters.

Besides which, Jesus said he strongly approves of the law and the prophets and hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:17), including the laws that say you are entitled to put your child to death (Matthew 15:4-7). Jesus also said he will tear families apart (Matthew 10:21), and he condemns entire cities (Matthew 11:20-24). Of course, he also made clear that the majority of the people on the planet will go to hell (Matthew 7:13-14), so I guess that's all consistent.

Loren
Loren

 @quietus28  @texasken  @Sweny Buddhism is not really a religion, more a way (perhaps a way of life). The Buddha was a teacher, I do not believe he was a deity. Other than that Q28 you are dead on. I see where the Old testament only applies when a point is to be made. The new testament is used to get out of old testament laws via a new covenant. Christ was a bronze age Joseph Smith.

 

kirklf
kirklf

 @chris77 You just made all the points I made for me. First of all, you ultra-religious types seem to always make the same argument re: child molesters, rapists, murderers,etc. etc. Of course that stuff is wrong, on the level of form. Always has been, always will be. But I'm talking about what is beyond form, more than form. Call it Spirit, God,Higher Self, Jesus Christ, whatever. You have to know what I'm talking about here, don't you? Also, what is hypocrisy to one man, may be the truth to another man. Who knows for sure -  you? Doubtful. I know I don't. And also the ultra-religious, or ultra-judgmental,have an interesting way of using the Old and New Testament simultaneously to attempt to prove their point. You use the Old to justify your judgmentalism, and the New to justify your antisemitism, or Christ-killers, attitude. I realize this last sentence is judgmental of me, and I apologize for that. You can see how difficult it is not to live in this world without our judgements. I believe God just wants us to recognize this in all we do, turn it over to Him, and ask for Him to show us what "true" forgiveness is. Thanks for the opportunity to respond to your post.

chris77
chris77

 @kirklfThat verse is speaking about hypocritical judgement, clearly. The Bible doesn't say you can't judge, at all. If it did then Sweeny just refuted himself, because he is judging the pastor in the article. As far as who gave me the right, God commands us to judge with righteous judgement, that means according to His word. Are you saying it's wrong to judge a child molester? Clearly it is okay to tell a child molester he is wrong. So not all judging is wrong. And I never said I "hate" jews as your comment seems to imply. I'm just saying they are wrong for rejecting Christ and relying on their own good works to save them.