Posted February 04, 2013

Report: Lance Armstong refuses to repay $12 million Tour de France bonuses

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Lance Armstrong is refusing to pay back bonuses for winning the Tour de France. (Tom Pennington, Getty Images)

Lance Armstrong is refusing to refund the nearly $12 million of bonus money he received for winning the Tour de France in 2002, 2003, and 2004, according to a USA Today report.

Tailwind Sports, the owner of Armstong’s cycling team, had bonuses built into their contract with Armstrong that paid the cyclist extra for winning the Tour de France. However, in 2004 the company withheld the bonus thanks to suspicions that Armstrong doped in order to win the titles. After a lengthy court battle in which Armstrong testified under oath that he never took performance-enhancing drugs, the company paid Armstrong his bonus.

Now, after Armstrong publicly admitted to doping in all seven of his Tour de France victories, Tailwind plans to file a lawsuit to get the money back. Along with legal fees, the company is demanding is around $12.5 million in total, according to the report.

“My only point is no athlete ever, to my understanding, has ever gone back and paid back his compensation,” Armstong’s lawyer Tim Herman told USA Today. “Not (New Orleans Saints coach) Sean Payton or anybody else. They were suspended, but nobody said you’ve got to give your paycheck back.”


24 comments
LynnMinthorne
LynnMinthorne

Their trying to go back 8 years ??  Is there a statute of limitations ??? on making the claim True or not I hope Lance wins. The companies at the time profited from this too !!!!

Rhino30
Rhino30

How sleezy can Lance get? He has no excuse for not paying back the money.

DamonAkins
DamonAkins

ARE YOU KIDDING ME MIKE VICK  PAID BACK HUGE AMOUNTS OF SALARY FOR  HIS TRANSGRESSIONS BUT I FORGET THAT LANCE WAS A HERO OPPOSED TO VICK

 

Old Schoolers
Old Schoolers

As to the no one has ever gone back and paid back his compensation, Mr Herman, no one has ever had a bigger piece of scum as a client than you do.

KyleK
KyleK

So it's ok to steal the money because others have been allowed to do so. Classy.

kullerdben
kullerdben

Lance should do the right thing and give the money back, but Tailwind should allow him to make some amends by 'paying the money back' to a charity (maybe one other than Livestrong), or Tailwind should donate it after they obviously win this lawsuit.

NiyiDelano
NiyiDelano

in a court with 12 juries members, i don't see how Lance wouldn't have to pay this money back.  The money was withheld because the allegations were he was doping.  He sued the company on that specific fact that he didn't dope.  Now he confessed to doping throughout his cycling career.  Good luck trying to get the people in the jury to over-look that simple fact.  Pay the money Lance and don't further embarrass yourself.

brcarthey
brcarthey

To me this lawsuit is going to come down to one thing, "Did the company have any financial gains with LA as their spokesperson and how much can be attributed directly to him?" If yes, and especially more so after a Tour win, then I think the answer will be "No" he doesn't have to return the money. 

 

This is no different than a corporate executive who, while doing something, illegal (cooking the books, falsifying data, etc), makes his company a ton of money and gets a substantial bonus for his/her work. Yes, he/she may go to jail and pay some fines to the court system, but it does not go back to the company and they do not get to recoup the bonus money they paid, even if the company gets devalued after the executive's conviction. This would be because the loss would be at minimum offset by the previous financial gains while the executive was working for said company.

wes
wes

Time to atone, Lance... that means give the money back and keep the interest from your investments over the past 9 years... you should still be financially sound!

joeshine730
joeshine730

pay the money back you cheated and are a crook.  help thief

uflash.cell
uflash.cell

although I think Lance was wrong to lie, etc...but the money he got pay is based on promoting the products of his sponsor. I think he did that very well! so he should keep his money...

Carlas-place
Carlas-place

Just another episode of ego and arrogance. A new variation on an old theme, "To the cheater belongs the spoils." He told his son not to stick up for him anymore. Perjury, fraud, theft, that's pretty much the trifecta for a sports loser. Well, Lance, it's not an exclusive club. Gee, you and your lawyer should have a combined photo op with Roger Clemens and his lawyer

RichardGozina
RichardGozina

Lance is being foolish.  He testified under oath that he DIDNT take PEDs and sign a sworn statement to the fact in a lawsuit to try and get the money. Now he has admitted (granted it was Oprah not in a court) that he did.  He may be facing criminal charges for Perjury.

 

From National Hero to National Embarrassment.

BrickWood
BrickWood

Armstrong's lawyer must be doing dope too if he thinks he'll win this one

doohan
doohan

Lance has to set a precedent of fighting these suits tooth and nail since there are a whole lot of people lining up to come after his money.

Wisconsin Death Trip
Wisconsin Death Trip

Somehow if he swore an oath AND signed a LEGAL document stating he never took PED's, then I believe a lawsuit will pretty much clear this one up. LA hasn't a leg to stand on in court on this issue. He better hope he still has the cash reserves! 

Eddy'sLoveChild
Eddy'sLoveChild

@brcarthey

 That's a well oiled legal bullsh_t opinion, but I think the first commenter is right.

A jury is not going to buy it, Lance will have to pay. He should go to prison for lying under oath like Marion Jones did.

 

drudown
drudown

 @wes 

That's utterly non sequitur. 

Even assuming, arguendo, that he would/should "give the money back", how then is LA supposed to "keep the interest" and then, what, reinvest that to support himself? That is analogous to keeping the crusts from a pizza and making himself a pizza with the crusts. Uh, no. 

drudown
drudown

 @Carlas-place 

Tell me, why is it that you presuppose that Lance Armstrong is a "cheater" and (the argument goes) the rest of the sports world is "clean" and therefore honest? Get real. Pro sports is irrevocably "juiced" and to single out the ones that were caught as being all-that-different is a fiction.

drudown
drudown

 @Wisconsin Death Trip 

I fail to see the nexus between testifying falsely in a deposition and having a legal obligation to disgorge earnings. It is one thing to state that he "hasn't a leg to stand on it court" and another to cite to legal authority supporting such an absurd proposition.  

 

While I do not enjoy cycling, I think it is ludicrous for his sponsors to seek reimbursement as if, in the end, his sponsors did not realize any benefit from his marketing appeal, i.e., with or without PEDs. What, he was more valuable to sponsors if he didn't use PEDs and win? Riiight.

brcarthey
brcarthey

 @Eddy'sLoveChild 

Well, I'm sorry you don't like "well-oiled legal bullsh_t opinions."  That's the way the justice system works sometimes. There's a huge reason why LA may not go to jail, "statute of limitations," which is five years in cases like this. I believe this year is the last year the prosecutors can charge him. Another point, is that I believe he is allowed to choose to have a "trial by judge" rather than a "trial by jury" because there is more of a chance that a judge will stick only to the laws on the books, as well legal precedent cases (stare decisis), and less of a chance that emotions will be involved.  All of those considerations will be huge in any trial Lance is involved in from here on out.

 

I thought the punishment for Marion Jones was much too harsh compared to other crimes. However, that's for another argument. As for Lance's case, I'm not here to defend him; just looking at the case objectively and detached. If he doesn't have to pay, it doesn't make it right or moral. That doesn't make it moral, that's a philosophical invention that can be ambiguous from person to person that can nebulously change without assigning definitions.  Murderers and crooks have walked on "legal technicalities."  That's the way the justice system works sometimes.  It's simply meant to determine right vs. wrong in relation to the laws we have agreed upon as a society irregardless of morals. Repeat, legality does NOT equal morality! 

 

You can be angry and hate a man you've met. That's your and millions of others right. No one can tell you how to feel about this. However, like some other professions, you have to detach feelings from the case and look at what the laws say and how other similar previous cases (stare decisis) have been decided.  In this case, I think Lance, who has top-notch lawyers, could very well escape some of these corporate cases (except the libel and slander cases he's sure to encounter soon).

brcarthey
brcarthey

 @KyleK    umm...LA is actually being investigated for obstruction, witness tampering, and witness intimidation. The Los Angeles office of the Federal Attorney's Office has already released a statement saying they probably weren't going to try LA for "lying under oath."  If they couldn't get Clemens, you think they'll get LA?  Doubtful.  As for the rest of my comment to Mr. LoveChild, I took the time to explain why I don't think LA won't have many harsh penalties befall him based on the rest of the post instead of giving him a simple "you're wrong, I'm right" rejoinder or some other snarky reply.

 

As for LA, I could be wrong, but I really don't care one way or the other what happens to him. I have never idol-worshipped, never put him up on a pedestal like so many others have making me feel like a publicly scorned woman with all his admissions.  All of y'all who post sanctimonious, hate-filled rants about this guy you've never met is quite amusing to me. It's like he personally did something to you. The LeMonds or Emma O'Reilly, they absolutely have justification for a vitriolic diatribe about Lance. Even all of Lance's former associates who later turned on him do too, but to a lesser degree.  The rest of us, who bitch and moan, "OH BOO HOO HOO Lance cwushed my wittle dweams!" get real. I doubt you've ever met the man, and if so not much beyond a "meet and greet" autograph session. The man rode a bike, cheated to win some races, got paid lots of money and brought a lot of awareness to cancer. Yet, you'd think the man gleefully stomped on puppies and kittens breaking their necks, then skinning them in front of everyone to make a puppy/kitty suit. 

 

It's amazing how freakin' out of whack our society is that we get this bent out of shape over some stupid BS like lying man and his bike when there many more serious things wrong in this country (and other countries) that deserve this level of outrage, yet we're just complacent about. I'm done. 

KyleK
KyleK

 @brcarthey  @Eddy'sLoveChild Eddy's...I don't think brcarthey is really sorry you don't like his "well-oiled legal bullsh_t opinions.". I think he is lying...based on the rest of his comment. LOL LA is now under investigation for perjury and it is very likely he will be found to have lied to Oprah Winfrey about when he stopped doping SPECIFICALLY to create the illusion that his crimes are beyond statute of limitations. Even to the end, he is a lying, deceitful, conniving asswipe who deserves not one dollar,...regardless of how much he may have enriched his employer.