Posted January 30, 2013

Marshall Faulk: Patriots cheated to beat Rams in Super Bowl

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Former Rams running back Marshall Faulk believes the Patriots cheated in the 2002 Super Bowl. (Jamie Squire/Getty Images Sport)

Former Rams running back Marshall Faulk believes the Patriots cheated in the 2002 Super Bowl. (Jamie Squire/Getty Images Sport)

Former St. Louis Rams running back Marshall Faulk said he believes the Patriots cheated to win the 2002 Super Bowl, reports CSNNE.com’s Tom Curran.

Faulk told Curran he thinks the Patriots videotaped St. Louis’ walk-through before the game.

“Am I over the loss? Yeah, I’m over the loss,” Faulk said. “But I’ll never be over being cheated out of the Super Bowl. That’s a different story.”

Since the Spygate scandal in 2007, when the Patriots were caught videotaping the Jets’ signals during a game, theories that the Patriots illegally taped the Rams have floated. But there has never been any evidence.

The Rams, heavily favored in the game, fell 20-17 to New England on Adam Vinatieri’s game-winning kick. It was the first of three Super Bowl wins in four years for Tom Brady and the Patriots.

Faulk said his experience playing in the game is what has him convinced New England cheated.

“I understand Bill (Belichick) is a great coach,” Faulk told Curran. “But No. 13 (Kurt Warner) will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran. I think we got to fourth down — we ran three plays that we hadn’t ran, that Mike drew up for that game – Bill’s a helluva coach . . . we hadn’t ran them the whole year (and the Patriots were ready for them)…

“I know, in that game, in the red zone, the plays we ran, most of them we hadn’t ran most of those plays that year. And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also . . .  Any time that I was offset, I was always stationary. And we had creating motioning in the backfield at the same depth on the other side of the field. And they created a check for it. It’s just little things like that. It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do.”


138 comments
zakaveli9
zakaveli9

It's funny that's what Andre Smith said about the Patriots.  Stuff that they never put in the game plan that the Patriots either ran perfect plays for, or were ready for on defense.  If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's Bill Belichick taping your defense and offensive calls for half time.  That's why they have record setting comebacks and are barely scoring in the first half this season, but are scoring 20 points a game in the 2nd half.  They are 23rd in first half scoring and 2nd in second half scoring.  How can you be so bad in one half and historically great in the 2nd?  It doesn't work that way.

JohnnyVicars
JohnnyVicars

The funny thing about this and reading some people's comments on here it seems that they have no freaking clue what they are talking about. Faulk claims are from that BS story that a writer said the pats taped the Rams walkthrough....in that walkthrough faulk said they went over redzone plays.....well guess what....the rams were in the redzone once in that superbowl.....and guess what....they scored a td in the redzone...so I'm sorry what was cheated here? People who hate the pats have an excuse, but fail to look at their own teams....many players and coaches have come out and said this was a common practice. The funny thing is, the pats kept winning, in fact the offense got much better....this was always designed to help the offense, well then how did the offense get so good and break records after it stopped. Also for the guy talking about bledsoe....he did not say they went over signals, you are full of crap, he said they went over film of the other teams defense, which guess what....thats what all teams do, film is provided to teams by the league....the only thing the pats did wrong, was to do it after the league told everyone to stop in 2006...why would the league tell all teams to stop if nobody but the pats were doing it...so basically you have the pats cheating as you call it in one single game against the jets in which they could not even use the film because the camera was taken away. lol It helps to research people instead of just saying things.

patriot1burke
patriot1burke

The fact is, the Patriots would have beaten the Rams in the regular season too if they hadn't turned the ball over in key situations.  Rams had just as many horrible turnovers in that game as the did in the Superbowl.  The difference is Pats had *ZERO* turnovers in Superbowl.

 

Mike Martz is just a predictable coach which is why he's been a bounced around retread since that Superbowl.  He sealed the regular season win with the Pats by running the ball.  He *refused* to run in the Superbowl, so the Pats were able to flood the field with 5, 6, and sometimes even 7 defensive backs.  That goal-line defense Faulk talks about...They threw the ball 4 times!  4 Times!  Until they ran a QB sneak and scored after the holding penalty.

 

In retrospect, you also realize that the Pats D was stacked.  Seymore, Bruschi, Vrabel, Law, Milloy, McGuinnest.  Even Roman Phifer, Otis Smith, and Buckley were solid talented defensive players.  If Pats had that defense now, they'd have won the Superbowl 3 years running.

Dan39
Dan39

Yes no doubt .I remember watching the game and saying it's like they know our plays ahead of time .

Emilio
Emilio

If Roger Goodelle were a more courageous and honest person, he would have  vacated those superbowl titles, as they did with Lance Armstrong and the tour de france. There is a reason for Brady looking more like Craig Mortenson than Joe Montana since his coach was forced to stop cheating.

texaspsycho26
texaspsycho26

Jesus...  Faulk is just like every guy who came in second in voting for MVP when the guy who won juiced, or when a ref(and all the youtube clips of horrible calls)prove that certain games were being rigged in basketball, or when other guys who feel cheated. 

 

Yes, the Patriots cheated.  Most teams cheat if they can so it shouldn't be a huge deal for fans to freak out.  You lost nothing cause one team was cheating.  Pedro should have a few more Cy Young Awards, Maddux could have one extra one if not for Kevin Brown getting tons of votes, Mark Prior could have won one in his one outstanding year instead of the cheater Gagne. 

 

Brady wasn't even in the same league as Warner back then.  It was before his injuries when he was destroying every defense in the NFL. 

Ravishing_Ricky
Ravishing_Ricky

what goes around comes around...i truly believe that they cheated their way to 3 Superbowl wins and it's only fitting that they lost their 2 last superbowls, and one more in the future.

steve62
steve62

Sounds like sour grapes to me...

(Un)
(Un)

The most ridiculous assertion out there is that the New England Patriots videotaped their opponent's throughout the entire season yet willingly opted not to for the Super Bowl.  (Which is exactly what Bill Belichick claims and Patriot fans wish everyone to believe)

 

Common sense tells us that they wouldn't have continued to videotape their opponent's, game-after-game for multiple seasons, if they didn't believe it helped them win games. So obviously Belichick felt the videotaping gave his team some kind of "competitive advantage".

 

And NO COACH, especially not one of the most successful of all time, would willingly pass up on using any method that he believed gave his team a competitive advantage when heading into the biggest game of the year, especially when (1) that same competitive advantage helped them get to the Super Bowl in the first-place and (2) he allegedly didn't know it was against the rules ("I misinterpreted the rules").

JeffHammond
JeffHammond

The Cheaters are old news. They haven't won anything since they have been under scrutiny for the cheating. They are the be-utch of the NY Giants and Baltimore Ravens.

cheeverwoodlot@hughes.net
cheeverwoodlot@hughes.net

So after 11 years, Mr. M. Faulk can't get past his team's loss in the Super Bowl, nor can a bunch of other non-Patriot-fans.  And the number of other absurd comments on this site have convinced me never to return to this site, after my one and only appearance. -- And yeah, I know, a bunch of "commenters" will say, "Good riddance". I say, "Likewise".

AndrewM1
AndrewM1

Sour grapes?  Maybe.  Probably true?  Yes.

bbc
bbc

"It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do."

 

Maybe it was the coaching Marshall. First we had the "Bill Callahan threw the SB coz Gruden was his friend" and now this. Looks likes all the SB losers are coming out with conspiracy theories this week. What next? How Shula's perfect season wasn't really perfect, or how steel curtain was only due to NFL being bought over by Rooneys in 70s or how 49ers in 80s were great only coz NFL was blackmailed by Walsh?

 

Fact is all 5 SBs Pats played were close fought affairs which were decided by a score. The difference is that in the last SBs they had breaks go against them like the circus catches (Tyree helmet catch in 2007 and Manningham catch in 2012) or the Welker drop. Any of these plays go in favor of Pats and they have more rings. If Pats were really "cheating" as claimed by Marshall Faulk the result would have been a blowout like the Tampa-Raiders SB where Tampa defense literally knew which play was run by Raiders. I assure you if Belichick knows which play is gonna next, teams would be annihilated and Pats wouldn't just squeak by a FG in a close game with a few seconds left to play.

materialman
materialman

When you cheat to win, you didn't win. Belichick should be banned for life from the NFL

DavidGeorge
DavidGeorge

The Pats won 3 SB because they were allowed to. They still have to play the game but give any NFL team an edge and most likely they will win. The NFL could not afford to have an east coast teammove to St. Louis - which is where they were headed. I can hear the conversation between Kraft, coaches and NFL. Do whatever it takes ot win but get caught and you are on your own. Saints got busted after their SB win for employing technology that allowed then to eavsdrop on the opponents huddles. BTW, funny how SF came back after the blackout and lost do to a blown call. Think that was an accident. They are all in the tank.

DavidGeorge
DavidGeorge

Jeepers.

 

The NFL can only influence so much. The SB yesterday was going to be a blowout. Margin of winning way to big. NFL Gods did not want the audience to start turning off the televisions so they caused the blackout. Refs look the other way and let the game get close. Baltimore was supposed to win so they blew the last call against SF.

zax_cgp
zax_cgp

I went to San Diego State with Marshall.  If he had done less studying or had more help from the administration, then that would have been real cheating.  He hardly ever showed for a class and his handler had to beg the professor not to flunk him.

 

 

Jimatmad
Jimatmad

Super Bowl wins for Bill Belichick before getting caught cheating - 3

Super Bowl wins for Bill Belichick since he got caught cheating - 0

 

When you can't win without cheating, that means you might be an OK coach, but you're nothing special as a coach and even less as a person.

HalfFast
HalfFast

Has Marshall Faulk changed his Kotex lately. Act like a real man you little girly-man wuss. Real men don't WHINE!

 

BAAHWAAAAAAAHH!!!!  Sniff - Sniff.  BAAHWAAAAAAAHH!!!!  Sniff. 

patriot1burke
patriot1burke

One more fact...The Rams in 2001 were a *turnover machine*.  I'm not talking the good kind of turnovers.  They had 44 Turnovers on offense that year!  To give you a comparison, the 2012 Chiefs, worst team in the league had 37 turnovers.

 

So, if you could win the turnover battle with them, as the Patriots did in the Superbowl, you had a really good chance of beating them.

AnthonyBojic
AnthonyBojic

@Emilio They year after the Jets incident Brady had the greatest year by a QB of all time...

tbonebilly4877
tbonebilly4877

 @(Un) Listen stupid, I know that your jealous of the Patriots success, but let me break down the FACTS for you. First of all, it was NOT ILLEGAL TO FILM YOUR OPPONENTS back in 2002. The only rule the Patriots broke was that their cameraman was outside of the designated filming zone. The previous season, the Jets had a videographer doing the same thing at Gillette, and instead of notifying the league, the Patriots just had security remove the guy from the stadium.

People act as if the Patriots had a guy hiding in the stands dressed incognito trying to steal signals.  He was in fact wearing his Patriots sideline credentials with a Patriots golf shirt.

Secondly the Patriots have had the best record in the NFL since Spygate, despite Brady blowing out his knee and missing an entire season. They've been to 2 superbowls and 3 AFC championship games, and lost on a Hail Mary prayer that David Tyree pulled in to keep the Giants alive. Then they lost again on a last minute drive last year. It happens. All of their superbowl games were close.

They are clearly one of the best run organization in sports. They draft well, they're coached well, and free agents want to go play for them because the organization treats their players well. That all stems from Bob Kraft, who took a troubled franchise, and turned it into a 1st rate organization.

 

Do yourself a favor and educate yourself.

JoseKuervo
JoseKuervo

 @JeffHammond They havent won anything?   16 games in a row is not winning?   making it all the way to the playoffs every year is not winning?   LMAO.....  Coach Cower said it best.. no amount of videotaping takes away from players making plays.   you can't predict what players are going to do in the huddle once they are there.

bobbyburke83
bobbyburke83

@DavidGeorge wow people say the dumbest crap

trek_rider
trek_rider

 @Jimatmad 

So after they got caught cheating they went to the SB three times without cheating?  Sounds like they had championship-caliber teams, even without cheating - meaning that NFL team can beat any other NFL team on any given day.  (Look at the Ravens in the last SB.  Did anyone seriously think the 49ers could be stopped?)  The irony is that if the Pats had won those SBs too, there'd be people here accusing them of cheating because they won so many!

craigbhill1
craigbhill1

 @HalfFast Reminds me of the laughable San Diego Padres i mean Chargers, who are STILL whining about the Pats beating therm!

Jim C1
Jim C1

 @HalfFast So if someone cheats just be quiet about it? That's pretty stupid.

patriot1burke
patriot1burke

One more turnover comparison: 2012 Ravens and Patriots, 16 TOs on offense.  That should give you an indication of how great the Greatest Show On Turf actually was...

John197
John197

 @tbonebilly4877  @(Un) dude bledsoe came out and admitted that he would sit down with the coaches b4 games and they would go over the opposing D's signals.....once drew saw them he would send the play over to the side line via helmet mic and weiss would call the play according to the d

 

(Un)
(Un)

@tbonebilly4877

Resorting to insults tells me that you're incapable of effectively arguing your position.

 

According to the NFL Constitution and ByLaws effective Feb 1, 1970, Article IX [Prohibited Conduct], (C) No member, nor any stockholder, director, officer, partner, or 

employee thereof, or person holding an interest therein, nor any 

officer or employee of the League shall: (14) Use at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which a club is a participant, any communications or 

information gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type 

cameras or field telephones, INCLUDING without limitation 

VIDEOTAPE MACHINES, telephone tapping or bugging devices, or 

any other form of electronic device that might aid a team 

during the playing of a game.

 

So yes, videotaping opponents was illegal back in 2002.

JeffHammond
JeffHammond

 @JoseKuervo a decent college team could win out in the AFC east, the Patsies have it really easy there and getting number 1 seed playing the easy schedule. Then they face a physical team and get beat. If they had to play tougher teams during the season they would probably start missing the playoffs. Colts, Ravens a few times, the Giants a few times, even the lowly Jets have been ousting the Patsies from the playoffs since the cheating was discovered. They have not won anything and I think if you asked the primary cheater, Bill Belicheat, he would tell you the same.

WestSideWizards
WestSideWizards

@BillPeterson @WestSideWizards they got caught cheating and that's not cool at all. But... Did the cheating really change the outcome?

John197
John197

 @tbonebilly4877  @(Un) "I had spoken with one of our quarterbacks that said he was called into Coach Belichick's office shortly before the Tampa Bay game. In the office was Ernie Adams, Charlie Weis, and Coach Belichick. They closed the door, Charlie said to him, 'You know, we've got tape of the Buccaneers' coaches defensive signals. What we're going to do is have you learn this, then we’re going to have you next to Charlie on the sideline, when he's calling in the play to Drew over the coach-to-quarterback communication system. Drew's got the, the earpiece in the helmet, and you're going to tell Charlie the defense that's being called, and we're going to relay the information, or use that in calling the play into Drew.' The quarterback later told me that within two to three seconds of when Monte Kiffin sent a play call into  John Lynch, Drew Bledsoe had it in his helmet."

 

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/content/matt-walsh-comes-clean-spygate-and-bucs

 

yeah they didnt cheat

patriot1burke
patriot1burke

 @(Un)  @tbonebilly4877 

 

The key phrase is "during the playing of a game".  I'm sure Belichick will tell you that he did not use any videotape *during* a game.

 

I'll add to the above.  It was also not illegal to steal signals. And still isn't.  In fact, Zach Thomas when he was in Miami obtained the raw audio footage of Pats games so he could *steal* Brady's audibles.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

John197
John197

 @JoseKuervo  @JeffHammond no the reason they got in trouble is because they used it in games to gain an advantage....drew admitted to knowing the defensive plays b4 they would pick the play

SportPage
SportPage

@JoseKuervo@JeffHammond

Rationalize much? When someone spends that much effort defending a team, it's usually because they feel guilt.

 

I think the Pats got off easy after being told not to do it. I also think the reason Goodell immediately destroyed the tapes  without anyone else seeing them is because he probably saw pregame walk-through footage of the Rams and didn't want the Super Bowl tainted.

 

JoseKuervo
JoseKuervo

 @JeffHammond 

Former Dallas Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson talked about it in an interview on WFAN in September 2007, weeks after the Spygate story broke. Johnson, who won 2 Super Bowl rings during his tenure in Dallas, discussed his thoughts on what Belichick did, but also that videotaping signals was commonplace while he was a coach in the NFL.

"Oh please. I've said it on our show," said Johnson when asked if he was bothered by what Belichick did. "Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they're not on the press box side you can't do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago."

Johnson said that the reason why the commissioner came down as hard as he did on New England was because of the fact a memo was sent out to stop that practice shortly before that it was discovered they were still doing it.

"No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league," said Johnson. "And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And so that's when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don't do it any more, he did it.

When asked if he ever stole signals, Johnson said, "Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did."

"I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you're going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace."

JoseKuervo
JoseKuervo

 

Obviously Cowher's been around a while, and he's admitted that it wasn't just the Patriots who have used methods to try and steal defensive hand signals. During his interview he talked about the practice of how it was done, and even came out and said he had guys of his own in the stands doing the same thing during his tenure as head coach.

"We had people out there trying to look at signals," explained Cowher. "We had guys go to games, they would take the signal caller, write it down, and they would take it back. They would match up the signals with certain defenses or the certain plays that were being called - particularly the defenses that were being called - to see if we could come up with some kind of alert for the signals. So what they did with the videotaping of the signal caller, people do it with the people in the stands.

"There's people in the stands that are sitting there looking at the signal, writing the signal down, and then matching up the 1st and 10 - here was the signal. You go back on 2nd and 10 - here was the signal. You do that for a whole game. You'd go back and match up the defenses with the signal, and you can come up with what the signal was. You don't need a videotape to do what they were talking about doing. And people were doing that - we were doing that. Everybody does that, you're trying to gain a competitive edge. There's nothing wrong with that.

"That's why you see baseball players, they sit there and go through the whole mirage of signals and they've got all these different codes, that's part of the competitive spirit of the game. So I think it's all overblown and I think if you get caught, then go to - like we did - with wristbands if you're worried about it. We started putting defenses on wristbands, so you find a way to not get caught. And when you're good at something and people try to steal it from you, I think it's flattering."

 

JoseKuervo
JoseKuervo

 @JoseKuervo  @JeffHammond 

On December 3rd, former Steelers head coach Bill Cowher made an appearance on the "Felger and Massarotti Show" on 98.5 The Sports Hub. In this radio interview, Coach Cowher was asked about the taping the Patriots did and the possible effect it had against his Steelers when they played. He also mentions that when he was coach, he did his own share of sign stealing. He admitted during the interview that he didn't believe what New England did was as bad as it was made out to be, nor did he think it cost his team a win in any of those meetings.

Bill Cowher-----

"Oh, heck no! I mean honestly, the taping that was involved in that story, was the taping of Tom Brady making some pretty accurate throws, and that's what beat us," said Cowher. "That's the only taping that I remember. You know what? Listen, all that stuff at this point, I think a lot of it is overblown. Did they know the signals maybe of our Monday night when we came up there? You know, so what. Sometimes I thought we knew some plays because they got in certain formations. The bottom line is you've got to execute."

"The bottom line is they completed passes and they beat one-on-one situations better than we were able to defend them. So you know what? The game is still played between the lines, the game is still played by men, and it comes down to executing. Certainly anticipation helps, and certainly if you can know some things in a pre-snap that can help you execute, so be it. But right now, all those things are moot points because everybody's got communication. The defense has it, the offense has it, so all this 'signal calling/stealing' of the years past are that - in the past."

In the interview Felger asked him about a situation during a 4th-and-1 play involving Ted Johnson following a timeout by New England. During the timeout Johnson went over and had a conversation with Belichick, and when play resumed, Johnson was the one who ended up stopping then runningback Jerome Bettis short of the first down. Cowher dismissed it as coincidence, and that they should have run a different play.

"Yeah...oh yeah..." said Cowher when asked if he remembered the play. "And you know what? We called timeout. So how does he know what we're going to call in the huddle? I mean listen, they made the stop. We didn't get them blocked. In hindsight, we should have run to the other side. But listen, those aren't the signals - I don't worry about that."

"Our offensive plays we talk about them through a headphone. If there's a formation that we get involved with, we're going to run our play. A lot of times I think New England gets in a formation, you know what they're going to run. Knowing what they're going to run is one thing, and having to stop it is another thing. A lot of times the best team that can execute - even when the other team knows what they're doing - those are the teams that win championships, and we weren't good enough that day."

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/12/03/felger-mazz-cowher-on-spygate-ii-patriots-jets/

JoseKuervo
JoseKuervo

 @JeffHammond sign stealing has been a part of most sports in one form or another for decades. It's obvious in baseball.   . it is part of the  "gamesmanship" in the sport of baseball.  what th epats did is do the same thign to the next level.  The main reason why the Pats got punished was because the NFL was aware of the practice by teams in the league and had sent a memo out regarding it, yet Belichick continued doing it anyway. That's one of the the main reason why they got fined so harshly. Only an idiot with no knowledge of the sport would think video tapes= instant win.   Players still have to get out there  make those plays, endure the situation , fight through pain and stamina.     Do you think every time Brady lines up for a Quaterback sneak the defense is not ready for it?  You don;t need a video tape to see THAT coming.. and he gets that sneak in 98% of the time..   Only people that bitch and cry about spy gate are people that are jealous about the Pats success.

JoseKuervo
JoseKuervo

 @JeffHammond  hahahaha....  a decent college team would not be able to beat The Chiefs my man...Colts- Pats won 59-24,  Jets - Pats won 29-26 and Sanchez even got an ass sandwich, Giants- didn't face them this season.  Ravens- pats lost by 1 point at the beginning of the season and the final playoff game . They beat tthe texans twice who were pretty much unstoppable this year, Beat the Bills twice who were supposed to  be the team to watch on the AFC,  Beat the Rams and the Mannings Broncos.   Pats went 12-4 this year, and made it almost to the end. They are 2nd on the Power rankings...Man you are delusional.. I bet you also vote republican.

JoseKuervo
JoseKuervo

players make plays stop crying.. ALL TEAMS cheat , is the way it is.  Saints anyone?

vinceseg
vinceseg

 @WestSideWizards  @BillPeterson  @WestSideWizards Actually if true yes it changed the outcome.  Not only the whole game is suspect, but didn't you read?  Stopped in the RZ on plays they'd never run before?  I really don't care, and don't think it's sour grapes but it's likely the truth.