Posted September 24, 2012

Roger Goodell joins referee negotiations, according to report

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Roger Goodell became involved with negotiations between the NFL and referees’ association last week. (Alex Wong/Getty Images)

Roger Goodell became “personally involved” with negotiations between the NFL and NFL Referees Association three times last week, including Sunday’s talks, ESPN.com’s Chris Mortensen reported.

From Mortensen’s report:

Goodell joined the league’s lead negotiators, Bob Batterman and Jeff Pash, who met with the NFLRA’s lead negotiators, Scott Green and Mike Arnold, for several hours Sunday without reaching an agreement on a new CBA for locked-out officials.

While no new face-to-face negotiations were scheduled because of “significant differences,” both sides were expected to maintain communication, still hopeful of narrowing the gap, sources said.

SI.com’s Peter King reported Sunday that the league and NFLRA had met on Sunday until nearly 9 p.m. with a federal mediator. But the talks fell apart without any hint of a new deal, and the two sides did not schedule any future talks.

The NFL locked out its officials in June, and replacement referees’ follies have become a major storyline through the first three weeks of the season.

After the Patriots lost to the Ravens Sunday night, New England head coach Bill Belichick grabbed a referee after saying he was looking for an “explanation” for some calls during the game. (He faces a possible fine for the contact.) And SI.com’s Chris Burke detailed some of the other Week 3 controversies, including one referee awarding the San Francisco 49ers a fourth timeout.


73 comments
kyleroussel
kyleroussel

@HunterZThompson yay for Bob Batterman! Architect all strife of all kinds!

benback2cu
benback2cu

Blaming Goodell for this mess is easy, but misguided.  He's just there to do the owners' bidding.  Goes anyone think Bud Selig is bright enough to run baseball?  Of course not.  A commissioner is (as Peter King wrote today) just the owners' agent.  The myth of a "commissioner" is there for people want to believe there's a person in charge who governs wisely over all.  Commissioner work for owners and against everyone else.

The Bedford Bulldog
The Bedford Bulldog

"The only way to understand why there is a lockout of NFL Referees is to understand who is doing the locking out. It’s not Roger Goodell, who for all the fawning media profiles, is little more than an exceptionally well-paid executive “flak-catcher.” It’s the people he represents. NFL teams are no longer family businesses and owners are no longer kindly patriarchs. They comprise the right-wing edge of America’s super-rich. NFL owners don’t travel in the same circles as Mitt Romney. They travel in the circles of those who underwrite Mitt Romney’s campaign."

The Bedford Bulldog
The Bedford Bulldog

NFLRA issues? "NFL owners want them to stop being part-time labor and instead work full-time for the league. Sounds great, except they want the refs to eliminate their other sources of income while taking a 16 percent cut in salary. They also want to eliminate their pensions and replace them with 401k plans tied to the stock market. Put simply, the owners line is less pay, less benefits, and if you don’t like it we’re locking the doors.

“They told us if we didn’t take what was on the table, they would cut it more and they have. They have disguised regressive bargaining as trying to improve officiating overall and to give people more time off,” said NFL Referee’s Association lead negotiator Mike Arnold. “They keep saying in the media that they were willing, able, and ready to negotiate, but they kept telling us they weren’t interested in discussing our proposal and if the deal was going to settle it was going to settle on their terms.”" "

Ti
Ti

1. Refs are part time - they refuse to be full time. One of the sticking points is that they want some to be full time to become better officials.  They refuse.  Pensions aren't given to full-time NFL employees, part-time officials shouldn't get it.

2. You will still watch football, no matter what your stupid threats are.  Just for fantasy alone you'll still follow.

3. It's not like we didn't complain about the previous refs.

Rock
Rock

why don't the owners threaten goodell with his job. he is ruining the nfl experience for all of us. the real ref's ARE important to the integrity of the game..

hermara
hermara

Until the regular refs return I am not sure that I want to follow the NFL any more this year. I saw a report that the NFL and the refs are only 3.3 mil apart, WTF get er done now!

R9
R9

In Superbowl XL, Seattle's Darrell Jackson caught a pass in the end zone for a Seahawk touchdown, only to have it nullified by a bad call.  This was but one blown call against Seattle in 2006 which cost them the championship game to the Steelers.  In fact, a February 7 online ESPN poll that year found that, with 103,167 votes cast, 61.7% of those votes were cast for the choice of  "officiating mistakes affected the outcome of Super Bowl XL."  And these weren't even replacement refs! 

 

On August 6, 2010, while visiting the Seahawks' preseason training camp, one of the refs who blew the calls in that game (Bill Leavy) brought up Super Bowl XL without being asked, and admitted to having blown calls: " It was a tough thing for me. I kicked two calls in the fourth quarter and I impacted the game, and as an official you never want to do that. It left me with a lot of sleepless nights, and I think about it constantly. I'll go to my grave wishing that I'd been better ... I know that I did my best at that time, but it wasn't good enough ... When we make mistakes, you got to step up and own them. It's something that all officials have to deal with, but unfortunately when you have to deal with it in the Super Bowl it's difficult."  So it's not just the replacement refs."

 

The rest of the league, however, told Seattle to suck it up and get over it: blown call or not, they lost.  So, to the Packers and the rest of the NFL, I say: blown call or not, Green Bay lost.  Get over it.

rjesse01
rjesse01

If every fan donates $1.00, we can save the owners and the league from themselves and their greed! I have reserved www.saveprofootball.com to receive the donations and we can save the season and stop the insanity! Maybe Yahoo can spearhead a campaign to raise the $3million dollars needed to get the refs back. Obviously, the owners and the league does not have enough money in their own mind, to pay the difference and are completely disconnected from their customers (fans). It would be a great embarrassment to them if all the 99% paid for their insensitivity!

Conman550
Conman550

Seriously? This guy hadn't been involved in the negotiations before Sunday?  Goodell you are a joke and all the preaching about the integrity of the game, has gone sooooo far out the window.  You really should be embarrassed and consider walking away after this season.  Last years lockout, and now this. These games are becoming unwatchable and you know that, and obviously do not care about the millions of fans that want to be entertained.  

JoshuaGreenfarb
JoshuaGreenfarb

I haven't watched any NFL games this year, but is the substandard officiating THAT BAD???  I remember when I was a kid playing football FOR FUN in people's yards!!  We never whined this much over rules!!  We just played cause it was FUN!  So guess what?  The best team is still going to win the most games, regardless of the officiating.  Period.  Stop blaming the officiating so much.  If the officiating is THAT TERRIBLE, well then every single NFL team is going to have to deal with it.  Which means -- the best teams will still be the best teams and will still win the most games.  Period.  Because every team will have to deal with the situation.  So calm the hell down.  If your team loses a game, it's not the freakin' end of the world!!  If your team loses, then they probably deserved to lose to a superior opponent.  Period.  No more blaming the refs, for goodness sake.

dolphfin85
dolphfin85

An open letter to Mr Goodell

 

You are paid $10 million a year, sort your s**t out and do it now. We as the fans that help generate all the money demand that you provide the best game possible. Stop being a child and sulking and get a deal done with the REAL ref's

 

Yours

At this rate a soon to be ex NFL fan

JoshuaGreenfarb
JoshuaGreenfarb

The Seahawks won that game, fair and square.  I didn't see the game, but I saw the replay on that last touchdown throw.  If anything, the defender interfered by going over the receiver's back in mid-air.  So no more complaining about the receiver offensively interfering or whatever.  They were both rightfully going after the ball. 

 

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/11_2012_ForwardPass_BackPass_Fumble.pdf

 

EVERYONE GO TO THIS URL/WEBSITE!!!  I WAS RIGHT! THE CALL WAS CORRECT. Both players caught it simultaneously (even the announcer stated that). THE TIE GOES TO THE RECEIVER! IT WAS A TOUCHDOWN! IT WAS THE RIGHT CALL!

 

And I partially quote:  "Item 5:  Simultaenous Catch.  If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers."

 

Both players caught it at the same time in mid-air (or at least they both had hands or a hand on the football).  No one had control yet until they both fell on the ground, and when that happened, both players retained equal possession of the football.  The call was CORRECT!  The tie goes to the receiver!!  It goes to the offense!!  The Seahawks won the game, fair and square!!

 

attrouble
attrouble

Hey, all you homers defending the TERRIBLE replacement officials because their team was the beneficiary of the idiocy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNQxlQZfv4

 

The issue here is that the NFL, the players, the officials all have it wrong. It was never about them at all. It's about the fans. If anyone should go on strike, it's us. 

 

Jim M
Jim M

"Good" ell is part and parcell of the problem  and after that fiasco of a clown job in Seattle I don't see the officials in any hurry to resolve this issue for less than what they are asking for because now it is obvious how dearly the league needs them.   NFL should pay them what they are worth and put the replacement refs back in Pop Warner and middle school games where they belong

sanjosedave
sanjosedave

Not only are games and the NFL's integrity being destroyed, but if all the cheap shots keep getting overlooked, someone will be seriously injured or worse.

help4mac1
help4mac1

Refs deserve a guaranteed pension. They don't get bonuses or profits.

bob15
bob15

I cannot believe that with the amount of money that the NFL generates, that a deal  with the refs cannot be reached.  If you saw the Monday night football game, the Green Bay Packers were robbed of a win due to the replacement refs.  Pay them better, give them a good benefit pkg., give them a bonus, but get the real refs back!

MicheleBernard
MicheleBernard

Aren't the owners part of this fiasco? Sad part is they PAY Goodell....doesn't that mean they can fire him? Watch the replay from all angles...this is so clear and sooooo sad. Is it possible this can be resovled by next weekend? Decisions PLEASE!!!!

Darla
Darla

This is beyond ABSURD!

Really!
Really!

Done watching the NFL. Replacement refs totally blew the touchdown call in Seattle. Farce!

Richard Q
Richard Q

Goodbye Mr Goodell. Cheapskate. Too many bad calls by replacement refs. Ridiculous!

michael47
michael47

Should change the name to NFE. National Football Entertainment....

MicheleBernard
MicheleBernard

After three bad calls in the Saints game, and as I watched the Green Bay Packers intercept the ball, not considering the offense pass interference, I think GET THESE REFEREES out of here!!! This is just wrong.....maybe Goodell needs to say goodbye.

Eagle
Eagle

Time for a 100% fan Boycott. When we have all the teams, none of Goodell's rules and no Goodell, then we can watch football. Men get hurt, damaged and disabled in the Rodeo, Boxing, the Octagon and the Hocky ice. Men know what they're going into before they start. THERE'S A RISK!!  It's time for the NFL without Goodell. Since he's come on-board, it's worse off not better.

Jimatmad
Jimatmad

When the outcome isn't a legitimate athletic contest, it's pro wresting with shoulder pads.

PacketNew
PacketNew

It is a business.  If you can't afford it then don't spend it.  It is easy to say let pay the refs.  With whose money?  Your?

Keith W1
Keith W1

RogerGoodell and the NFL Brass have joined in ruining Football.  How do even have the authority to Lock out Players, and Now the officals.  I think that it is time for the fans to take the game back. So, call your favorite teams, and tell them you want Goodell fired. Tell your local governmental officials that they believe that Roger Goodell should be investigated for defrauding the leauge, by selling a product that no longer maintains the essence of what football has embodied historically.  If one man can hijack a game that means so much to so many, and in turn do so much dammage along the way, then he should be sacrificed and evicted from the game permanantly. It is time for the owners to stand up, and vote Goodell out, and bring back the real officials.

sonnyspoon29
sonnyspoon29

Mr.Goodell how can you mess up the best sport in the world your ego and greed is killing the sport.

DavidAtkinson
DavidAtkinson

More than a bit embarrassing, I would say. An obvious offensive PI not called, and a clear interception called a catch and TD by the offense when the defensive player who made the interception has the ball tightly against his chest with two hands and the guy who "caught" the ball for the "touchdown" had one hand on the point ofd the ball trying to pry it out . Wow. Thers guys suck.

 

VinceBrouillard
VinceBrouillard

Mr. Goodell, Its time.  I'm pretty sure the refs have the upper hand.  Give them what they want.  Tonights game was a disgrace and a bit of an embarressment to the NFL.     

JayWright
JayWright

I used to love the NFL. These refs are taking the game away. The calls in the monday night game is appalling. I have been in this same situation before when I was a youngster I had baseball tickets and the lock out happened with no refund I swore I would never watch baseball again and have not. It is getting to that point now with the unfairness of the referees in the NFL now. That was a clear interception.

 

troutcaptain1
troutcaptain1

I have watched football for to long for it to come to this.  It is absoultely terrible that we are allowing this as fans and we are not protesting this more.  I will not watch NFL anymore and believe that Goodell should be fired and the NFL is a joke anymore.  Its terrible to watch such a good sport go to crap.  The refs are the worst I have seen.  I have seen HS games better than this.  It's just horrible every week just watching these games and the horrible officiating and the calls.  Goodell has his head so far up his ass he can even see that he is ruining the NFL and the experience.  I'm done and back to watching anything else but the NFL or supporting anything NFL.  

Cool
Cool

 @Ti

 It is alwasy easy to over simplify and to make it sound like these refs are just a group of whiners.  The fact that someone wants to keep their regular jobs, and keep the pension plans they have with private company makes it sound like they are certainly lazy do nothing people.. right?  You don't care if the officiating stinks.. or some player gets seriously hurt.. they can find another player.. dime a dozen.  Yeah, you nailed it.

The Bedford Bulldog
The Bedford Bulldog

 @Ti "NFL owners want them to stop being part-time labor and instead work full-time for the league. They want the refs to eliminate their other sources of income while taking a 16 percent cut in salary. They also want to eliminate their pensions and replace them with 401k plans tied to the stock market. Put simply, the owners line is less pay, less benefits."

Cool
Cool

 @rjesse01

 Wow.. did you try starting a fund for shooting victims too?  Have you ever thought about getting a real job and stop ripping off people?  I hope you are arrested for this little scheme of yours...  LOL,,, yeah, the NFL and it's owners are going to agree to stop the lockout if the fans pay... precious. 

Joseph F
Joseph F

 @JoshuaGreenfarb If you have not watched any games this year you have no right to an opinion.  The replacement refs this year, pure and simple, STINK.  And last night they cost Green Bay the game. It's bullcrap when an official decided the outcome of a game and not the players.

Joseph F
Joseph F

 @JoshuaGreenfarb You didn't see the game so obviously you missed the phantom "roughing the quarterback" call on the first play of that drive, the totally blown call on the next pass play (GB DB called for defensive pass interference when it was very obviously OFFENSIVE pass interference), the offensive pass interference on the so-called "touchdown" (Tate shoved the defensive back so hard he went to the ground), and, most importantly, it was NOT SIMULTANEOUS POSSESION.  Jennings came down with the ball, had it against his chest, Tate stuck his hand in on the ball THQAT IS NOT A TD.  One official got it right, the other one that called the TD came in from who knows where, he had no view of the play.  Seattle LOST and GB got SCREWED.

Jimatmad
Jimatmad

 @PacketNew They're $3 million apart. The TV contract alone is over $3 Billion. That IS my money as a cable subscriber and viewer.

 

You don't jeopardize an industry on a 0.1% pissing contest.

pairof9s
pairof9s

 @sonnyspoon29 Remember, this is a money issue. The owners are really the ones saying "no" to the refs CBA. Goodell is nothing more than the lawyer in this play.

JoshuaGreenfarb
JoshuaGreenfarb

 @DavidAtkinson

 They both had two hands on the ball.  WATCH THE REPLAY!!  Don't try to spread lies, little crybaby!  It's just a lame game, anyway.  Get over it.

JoshuaGreenfarb
JoshuaGreenfarb

 @DavidAtkinson

 WATCH the replay.  As both players fell to the ground, who retained possession?  Who caught the ball?  They both did!!  The tie goes to the receiver.  This particular call was CORRECT!  Stop whining like a little baby!  The call was correct!  They caught it simultaneously in the end-zone.  Tie goes to the receiver, to the offense.  Does not matter in this case who the refs were -- the call was CORRECT!  Watch the replay!  Look at the rulebook!  Seahawks won, fair and square.

JoshuaGreenfarb
JoshuaGreenfarb

 @JayWright

 Oh my god.  Are you blind?  WATCH THE REPLAY!!  Even the announcer saw it, you crybabying fool!!  They both caught it simultaneously as they fell to the ground!!  Tie goes to the receiver, to the offense, to the passer, to the quarterback.  THAT was a clear RECEPTION!!

JoshuaGreenfarb
JoshuaGreenfarb

 @troutcaptain1

 Dude, NFL kinda sucks anyway.  They only play 16 games a season.  MLB -- they play 162 games.  NBA -- they play 82 games.  NFL would be way way better if they played AT LEAST 30 games every season.  What's with this 16-game regular season crap?  That's for slackers and sissies.  Hehe.  Just kidding.  I realize it will never change, but they really should play AT LEAST 30 games a year, for goodness sake.  Why does a pro team need a whole week to prepare for one game???  That sucks.  I realize NFL is very physical and all that, but that still sucks.  Having 30-game regular seasons would be funner, make more money at venues, and boost TV ratings!!

pauldbernardin
pauldbernardin

 @JoshuaGreenfarb  @DavidAtkinson you can not be serious. Tate (he is the seahawks wr in case you are a new nfl viewer as you sound like it) clearly decked the db in front of him and then used 1 hand to pretend he had the ball as the gb safety had possession of the ball

JayWright
JayWright

 @JoshuaGreenfarb I did watch it from my view here forward deployed it was an interception. So call it being a crybaby when you bring your sorry ass over here to my face a_s clown....

pauldbernardin
pauldbernardin

 @JoshuaGreenfarb  @JayWright 'the announcer'  - he is John Gruden and he said it was a shame that the packers (they are from Green Bay, Wisconsin) had to fly back a few thousand miles with a loss and he was sick for them. Just trying to educate you as you sound a bit ridiculous